Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jugend Rettet


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The result was no consensus. (As somebody who reads German I can confirm that the German article references coverage that clearly establishes GNG.)  Sandstein   13:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Jugend Rettet

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The only references/claims of notability are based on unproven accusations of criminal activity. I don't see any way a neutral article would meet WP:ORGDEPTH at this time. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 01:45, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  We Are All  Here   talk  01:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep At least somebody asked for this article! I saw a request for a translation in the Dutch Wikipedia, and I did that. ("in andere talen", the grey links.) About the content it is just the same as the Dutch, Italian and German articles that are already there. Especially the German article has very good references, but I probably cannot use them for English. If you don't believe me just put this in an automatic translator "Deren Schiff Iuventa wurde Anfang August 2017 beschlagnahmt und die Staatsanwaltschaft legte Zeugenaussagen, Fotos, Videos und Gesprächsmitschnitte vor, die belegen sollen, wie die Besatzung in dokumentierten Fällen keine Menschen aus Seenot gerettet, sondern Flüchtlinge bei vollkommen ruhiger See direkt von den Schleppern übernommen habe. Unter anderem seien Migranten von intakten Booten übernommen worden, mit denen die Schlepper anschließend zurückfuhren". So if you do not like the findings of the Italian police do not shoot the messenger, and that is not an argument for deletion. Also that request for a translation is not a coincidence it seems, if you look at the provided links there are also requests for Danish and Spanish, but not for other popular languages. So I would really like to know where this comes from, because I can also translate it to Spanish, and would like to do so if desired. AntonHogervorst (talk) 18:51, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I now see the 'grey links' are removed and Wikipedia is dropping this 'translation help idea'? Nevertheless I hope my effort was not in vain and the article does not get removed. It was quite an issue in Italy and Germany, and it's a ship under Dutch flag, therefore the articles in those Wikipedias. Nevertheless you can also see similar grey links in e.g.: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ommen_(stad) AntonHogervorst (talk) 18:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If there is coverage in independent reliable sources in German, or any other language, and you have read those sources, then you most certainly can and should cite those sources in our article. The "English" in English Wikipedia simply refers to the language in which articles are written - sources can be in any language. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem, I can do that and improve two things in this article. But only if people really want the article and don't delete it! I shall use the German sources. I shall also use verb tense forms in English that are in fact closer to the original German article. It is a little technical but the German uses quite some konjunktiv tenses which should be better translated to English conditional tenses. (Instead of simple past perfect.) That would have a more neutral voice also. AntonHogervorst (talk) 06:46, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:26, 16 April 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: My German is rudimentary - but quite good enough to see that the German version of this article shows sourcing over an apparently extended period from a wide variety of major German news media. This German organisation seems to have had far less English language coverage than German - but WP:GNG does not depend on the language of the coverage. PWilkinson (talk) 22:38, 28 April 2018 (UTC)


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