Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juglans regia 'Zijing'


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There's a fair amount of skepticism about some of the sources, but the overall sentiment of the discussion is that there is enough acceptable sourcing to keep the article. RL0919 (talk) 00:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Juglans regia 'Zijing'

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Per 's analysis on the talk page, this appears to be a non-notable walnut cultivar. Sources are largely of dubious reliability, database listings, and there's also citation stuffing where unrelated sources have "紫京" (the cultivar name) appended to make it appear to be related. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:58, 29 December 2021 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting to further evaluate sources Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:45, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Biology-related deletion discussions. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:58, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment Looking at the analysis on the talk page, 1, 6, and 9 might count as a source if the RFC for Xinhua applies here. Source 1 and 9 appears to claim that the original publisher for the article is China Daily, while China Daily claims it's from https://eastday.com/, I am unable to find the article on the website. I was able to find an archived version of source 5, although I was unable to play the video (which is basically the whole page anyways), agreeing with Ganbaruby that source 5 is quite dead. Source 7 seems really promising but does not appear to give much coverage to the topic. Archived version of 8 (or 15) found here appears to give significant coverage. Rest seems to be governmental sources/deprecated ones. Essentially: 1, 6, and 9 might count as a source if it's reliable, 8 (or 15) might count if it's reliable. Pinging for thoughts on source 8 (or 15)  Just ' i ' yaya  08:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Source 8/15 appear to be based on source 1, 6 or 9 with a paragraph directly copied them (word for word), this equates to one reliable source (at most) in the article right now if source 8/15 is not counted, I was unable to find other sources that contribute to GNG with a simple search.  Just ' i ' yaya  08:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete 1, 6, 9 still look questionable in terms of reliability and independence. Looked at the archived version of 8/15 above (thanks btw) and can confirm that it's exact text copied over. A Google search turned up even more websites with the exact same text again.  ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 12:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep With this being a mundane non-political topic, Mainland Chinese articles can usually be used for notability per WP:XINHUA. Regarding the sources, I found two more sources that seem to not be derived from any sources currently in the article:
 * Jumpytoo Talk 01:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Also found this article:
 * Jumpytoo Talk 01:29, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Finally to add, I was also able to fix the link for the BTV source, however the video player gets stuck at a loading state for me. But the description & title seem to suggest WP:SIGCOV. Maybe someone else can try and see if it works for them? Jumpytoo Talk 01:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the hard work looking for sources. I'm hesitant to use a source reposted on Sohu by a random person, and the video doesn't work for me either, but the other two look good to me, assuming that they're reliable sources. That brings us to basically three sources, but all read a bit promo-ey and raises questions about whether they're written independent of the subject, so I'm going to say weak keep. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 13:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Finally to add, I was also able to fix the link for the BTV source, however the video player gets stuck at a loading state for me. But the description & title seem to suggest WP:SIGCOV. Maybe someone else can try and see if it works for them? Jumpytoo Talk 01:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the hard work looking for sources. I'm hesitant to use a source reposted on Sohu by a random person, and the video doesn't work for me either, but the other two look good to me, assuming that they're reliable sources. That brings us to basically three sources, but all read a bit promo-ey and raises questions about whether they're written independent of the subject, so I'm going to say weak keep. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 13:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge a brief summary to Juglans regia, as it's probably just about worth a one-line mention there in the "Cultivars" section. Or half a line. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:16, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  This article extensively discusses the Zjing walnut tree. From Google Translate: "Zijing Coleus walnut tree has strong resistance, adaptability and ornamental value. The Zijing walnut tree grows on the hillside at an altitude of 800 meters. The flowering period is May and the fruiting period is September. The Zijing Coleus walnut tree is adapted to the ecological environment with deep, loose, fertile, humid, warm and cool climate."</li> <li> From Google Translate: "“Zijing” walnut was granted a new plant variety right by the State Forestry Administration in October 2017. From 1998 to 2014, it took Wang Xiupo more than ten years to successfully cultivate the "Zijing" walnut. In 1998, in the mountains of Qingshui Town, Mentougou District, Beijing, local villagers discovered a unique wild walnut. The walnut tree, the whole plant is purple, not only the leaves and branches are purple, but also the outer skin of the walnut fruit is actually purple, after opening the hard shell of the walnut, the kernel inside is still purple!"</li> <li> From Google Translate: "Compared with the "purple walnut" in the United States, the Zijing walnut produced in Beijing, China is very special. Because this walnut tree has five characteristics of purple branches, purple female flowers, purple leaves, purple peel and purple kernels, it is also called "five purple walnuts". Zijing walnut trees are currently mainly distributed in Beijing International Walnut Manor. ... It is reported that the Latin literary name of the Zijing walnut tree is Juglans regia Zijing, which belongs to the genus of walnut. become"</li> <li> From Google Translate: "The Chinese name "Zijing Caiye Walnut" was named by Wang Xiupo, chairman of Beijing Zijing Walnut Technology Development Company, and on October 17, 2017, it obtained a new plant variety right certificate from the State Forestry Administration of China. The Latin name of Zijing Coleus walnut is Juglance. Because of the five characteristics of purple branches, purple female flowers, purple leaves, purple peel, and purple kernels, Zijing Coleus walnuts are also called "five purple walnuts"."</li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Juglans regia Zijing to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 08:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * I oppose a merge because there is substantial coverage of Juglans regia Zijing in the sources. The Eastday article in particular is very extensive: When translated into English in Google Translate, the article is 3,270 words. There is more than enough information to support a standalone article. Thank you,, for your work cleaning up the article and finding more sources. Cunard (talk) 08:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per the sources found and improvements made by Cunard and Jumpytoo. BuySomeApples (talk) 07:23, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Thanks to sources found by Cunard and Jumpytoo. MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)


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