Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julian Gardner (poker player)


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The result was keep. kelapstick(bainuu) 13:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Julian Gardner (poker player)

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Extremely poorly sourced BLP and from the text is barely marginally notable. Standards have moved on since this was created and I think we should remove this. Spartaz Humbug! 06:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - notability is not temporary. I found a few references to him as a "phenom" and "star" though I don't know much about poker unfortunately. It seems like if he'd already $2.5M by 2009 at that age he's probably pretty good., ,   —Мандичка YO 😜 07:42, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - Did well enough to make money from poker in the 2000's, but not actually that notable as a poker player, and I can see no notability outside of poker. Not one of those poker television celebrity from televised poker, haven't won any major tournaments, is published but not notably so. -- KTC (talk) 08:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete due to lack of non-trivial coverage in reliable independent sources. Guy (Help!) 17:07, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Placing second in the WSOP Main Event and winning over $1 million satisfies the informal WikiProject Poker. The Main Event gets by far the most TV/press coverage of any poker tournament; those players good (or insanely lucky) enough to make the final table get spotlighted. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Here are a PokerNews article and a pokerlistings interview. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:33, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep as per . The article needs additional sources, which I'll look at adding now, but the World Series of Poker is televised and certainly a top-level tournament. Placing second and winning $1 million makes him notable, especially given that he broke a record for youngest person to do so at the time. This article isn't so poorly sourced as to fall afoul of the BLP policy, but further sources are needed to meet WP:V fully. ~ RobTalk 02:12, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Placing second in one tournament does not make him notable. See WP:BLP1E. Handpolk   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  23:11, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've added a citation that Clarity found, attributed other information to existing citations, and updated some info on the page. Unless I missed something, there should be no concerns about inadequately sourced BLP withstanding. A separate issue is whether PokerNews qualifies as a "reliable source". I have no answer to that, as I'm not familiar with the site or knowledgeable in this area. ~ RobTalk 02:22, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes (IMO), PokerNews do qualify as a RS. Large (in context), independent (does run paid for adverts by poker sites though not unlike TV station), poker specific news agency. -- KTC (talk) 00:02, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak keep delete per Clarityfiend BMK (talk) 02:25, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * On re-evaluating, KTC seems closer to the mark. BMK (talk) 04:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete not notable. WP:BLP1E Handpolk   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  23:08, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * to consider a sporting event as "one event" is surely taking that policy above and beyond, in fact it even says it might not apply to sports... GuzzyG (talk) 02:59, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Per Clarity, seems to pass WikiProject Poker, one event was one of Poker's top tournaments, not a local news story in Timbuktu or Jeremy Meeks esque reporting GuzzyG (talk) 03:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WikiProject Poker Govindaharihari (talk) 06:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable, and Pokernews is obviously a reliable source. 2005 (talk) 00:01, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: Meets WP:GNG. There is enough non-trivial coverage in WP:RS to satisfy notability requirements. Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 01:21, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep as per the above. There's enough sourcing here to justify a claim of notability. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:22, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


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