Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julian Heller (2nd nomination)


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The result was   merge to New Democratic Party candidates, 2007 Ontario provincial election. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Julian Heller
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Heller's day in the sun is over. No reason to keep page now that he didn't get elected. Doesn't meet WP:BIO notability guidelines. Recommend delete or redirect to New Democratic Party candidates, 2007 Ontario provincial election. Suttungr (talk) 02:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. -- Eastmain (talk) 03:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- Eastmain (talk) 03:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge with New Democratic Party candidates, 2007 Ontario provincial election per nom. Fails to establish notability by himself. 04:55, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect as per nom, and in accordance with the discussion on the article's talk page. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. According to the article, there was a contest for the NDP line, in which Heller prevailed.  That differentiates him from other candidates who were unsuccessful in the general election.  Readers might want to know more about someone who secured a contested nomination. JamesMLane t c 17:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Winning a nomination contest is only one aspect of being a candidate, and a subject's mere candidacy has itself been found to be insufficient to show notability. More often than not, candidates are chosen by riding associations by way of contested nomination processes (rather than by acclamation) - it's neither noteworthy nor unusual.  Can you point to any past consensus on Wikipedia where a candidate's nomination contest has itself been found to be sufficient as the sole inidcator of notability?  --Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to New Democratic Party candidates, 2007 Ontario provincial election as discussed on the article's talk page. Any references are only passing mentions to the person in reference to his being a candidate for election. No independent notability. Double Blue  (talk) 21:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: According to the notability guideline, "Notability is not temporary: a topic needs to have had sufficient coverage in reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline, but it does not need to have ongoing coverage from news sources.". In other words, she shouldn't be considered any less notable now as a former candidate than she was two years ago as a current candidate, and the article should only be merged, deleted or turned into a redirect on notability grounds if she was never notable enough to warrent an article. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 04:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to New Democratic Party candidates, 2007 Ontario provincial election. Agreed notability is not temporary, however Heller never had it in the first place. According to WP:BIO and past experience with electoral candidates, this person does not meet Wikipedia notability guidelines. Atrian (talk) 04:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect into New Democratic Party candidates, 2007 Ontario provincial election, I agree with nomination's reasoning.  PK  T (alk)  15:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
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