Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julie Homi


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The result was   delete. While this was clearly a close call in terms of sourcing, GNG isn't felt to be met. j⚛e deckertalk 15:37, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Julie Homi

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Notability of this person is not established as per WP:MUSICBIO, and the references in a local newspaper do not establish sufficient notability for a WP:BLP. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability is established per WP:Music #10 Has performed music for a work of media that is notable...; namely, Homi played a large part as keyboardist in Yanni Live at the Acropolis which is both a notable concert tour and notable live album/concert film (second in sales to Michael Jackson's Thriller), as well as noting several other notable performers she has toured with stated in the article. ♫ Cricket02  (talk) 04:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Neutral Weak delete (see below). I'm not sure this meets WP:MUSICBIO #10 based on what Cricket02 suggests. The examples for that criterion are things like having performed a theme song for a notable TV show, or inclusion on a notable compilation album. Merely having performed a musical task on an album that's notable probably doesn't meet that criterion. And even presuming it does, there might still be cause for redirecting. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 00:02, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Changed to Weak delete as the other !votes have convinced me that MUSICBIO #10 does not apply. As to whether there's a WP:GNG argument, the laundry list of sources look like little more than mentions. It's possible I missed something of course, but I really don't see evidence of the requisite "significant coverage" mentioned in GNG. In short, this is clearly a skilled musician, and clearly a sought-after professional backing singer... but no more notable for Wikipedia purposes than a skilled cardiologist or managing partner of a major law firm. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 03:37, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Clearly she is an accomplished professional musician, but I can't find evidence that she is the subject of substantial coverage that focuses on her. Best I could find was a piece from the local newspaper in Vallejo, which refers to her and her husband having "reached the pinnacle of their chosen music industry careers". On the other hand, I note that her AllMusic listing has no biographical information, and (as far as I can see) doesn't list any notable recordings in which she is a principal rather than a sideman. I don't think WP:Music #10 applies because I didn't find any evidence that she was considered a prominent focus of the Yanni tour/film.   A well known sideman can certainly be notable, but I don't find the evidence for that here. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:04, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Just for added context, that local paper, the Times Herald, has 3 articles about the couple, by the same author, similar in size; 2009-01-01 on neighborhood trash 2009-05-25 on music careers 2010-08-16 on neighborhood graffiti. It kind of drives home that the music career story wasn't due to their exceptional notability, so much as a normal local interest story. On the other hand, given the Yanni/Acropolis association (I agree, small role, but major album), I'm inclined to be more liberal in counting a source like this toward notability. While a lot of its info is supplied by Homi (the article seems pretty careful to qualify statements with "she said", e.g. about performing on the Yanni video), it is at least a nice amount of biographical material, to provide some meat to this Wikipedia article rather than just a discography or list of names. I think her only significant recording in which she was the lead was 2010's Homiopathy, self-published through CD Baby, which did not attract any independent notice. Agyle (talk) 10:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Procedural comment: As noted at WT:AFD, this AfD seems to have fallen through the cracks for technical reasons (and the usual article and "find sources" links are missing) so I think a relisting would be in order. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I concur. The only reason I'm here is because of the WT:AFD link. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 00:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree as well. Thank you for your help.  ♫ Cricket02  (talk) 01:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete unless more in-depth coverage is found. I found no significant coverage of the subject in published reliable sources. I do consider the subject's performance on a successful album as suggestive of Wikipedia notability, but it is mitigated by being one of eight musicians on the album, and more importantly, without any coverage found about the subject's performance in particular. One of the underlying reasons behind the coverage requirements is described at WP:WHYN, "We require 'significant coverage' in reliable sources so that we can actually write a whole article, rather than half a paragraph or a definition of that topic." While some allowances are made for certain fields (e.g., nationally elected politicians get articles regardless of coverage; academics get articles based on their work even if there is no coverage about them), I'm not sure how far that should be extended to a musician. To some extent, with a lack of good references, it's a choice between providing terribly deficient coverage of the subject, or no coverage.


 * Per ♫ Cricket02's suggestion of WP:Music #10, that list of criteria is prefaced with "may be notable if...", and the complete sentence for the excerpt of #10 mentions that if that's the only claim of notability, it may be more appropriate to cover them in an article about the notable work. The section also includes the guidance that "members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." Yanni's is an extremely notable album, but despite that, I found no coverage of it that singled out Homi's performance on it. (It could very well exist; media back than was rarely published online, and copyrights protect such material from being easily found. People with access to private media databases (e.g., journalists) would be better equipped to find it.)


 * I did find one short/medium bit of coverage, and many minor/one-sentence mentions of the subject in independent reliable sources (most are just performance announcements - I omitted about a dozen more of them them):


 * Extracted via Google "Snippet View", and I think this is all the coverage of Homi in an article about synthesized piano stage performance that bounces from one musician to another (Brad Cole immediately follows the excerpt on Homi).


 * Seen only in Google "Snippet View"; this seems to be an index of other periodicals, indicating that in some other periodical there's an article called "Julie Homi: A Star on the Rise". No way of knowing how significant it is or where it is.










































 * ––Agyle (talk) 04:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Note, I missed some sources (I didn't go far into Google Web); there is one article of significant coverage, which Arxiloxos pointed out above, and the rest is again pretty minor:
 * Not about musical career; just included for completeness.
 * Fairly significant coverage of musical career.
 * Not about musical career; just included for completeness.
 * (review of the performance)
 * (review of the performance)
 * (review of the performance)
 * Review of Jersey Boys, which toured in Cleveland, and lists Homi as one of three keyboardists in a large cast; I'm not sure if this is a reliable source, or user-submitted content. (I gather from a non-reliable source that Homi toured with the show for quite a while).
 * Mid-sized article about Teresa Trull and Julie Homi performing (review & info of upcoming performance)...gives much more detailed info on singer/guitarist Trull, the star, with Homi treated more as backup. Not much coverage, but probably a good source for a sentence or so of this article, as I gather they performed together for a while.
 * Also, two primary sources that are not independent at all, but might be useful for further research, are Homi's Linkedin page, and a CD Universe sales page for Homiopathy, her self-published 2010 album.
 * ––Agyle (talk) 10:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, two primary sources that are not independent at all, but might be useful for further research, are Homi's Linkedin page, and a CD Universe sales page for Homiopathy, her self-published 2010 album.
 * ––Agyle (talk) 10:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ansh666 04:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)




 * Comment I fixed the nom, 2 months late. User:Barney the barney barney, follow WP:AFDHOWTO next time. Ansh666 04:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Weak delete. This is a pretty interesting case. A backing musician, fairly successful as such (earning a living at it, working with some major acts, respect of her peers), but she appears to fall just short of our notability criteria. Performing on Yanni Live at the Acropolis does not pass WP:BAND#10: that's not her album, it's Yanni's, and BAND#10 is for works credited to the artist in question; neither does she meet #6 for working for several other artists because backing musicians are not usually considered "reasonably prominent members" of ensembles, and the bands she has been a full member of do not appear to be notable in their own right. Of the sources posted above, only one (the Times-Herald) is significant coverage, but it's local (it's the community paper of Vallejo, where she lives). After that there's the Electronic Musician article, which contains a brief blurb about her and a quote, but not much more than that. And the article listed in the Feminist Periodicals catalogue, which we know nothing about. The rest all appear to be passing mentions and concert listings. If somebody can uncover some more substantial coverage of her in particular, or dig up that "Star on the Rise" article and establish that it's a reliable, third-party, etc. publication, I'll gladly change my !vote. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 20:34, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak delete as per Gwalla. Searched, found mentions, clearly a top-caliber musician, unfortunately doesn't meet the GNG, but I hope if this article gets deleted, that she will be back in Wikipedia sooner or later.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:00, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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