Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julie Vu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Please ask if anyone wants it userfying. Black Kite (talk) 18:07, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Julie Vu

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Article that has been deleted several times (all by this user) but under different names such as one being Julie Van Vu. Wgolf (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Speedy Delete - A7 - Both should also be recreation protected, Anyway per nom no evidence of any notability. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  08:22, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed-I just felt like also it was time to get a AFD up for this once and for all! Wgolf (talk) 14:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, salt this one, and salt Julie Van Vu. No evidence of notability. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep with sources here and here and here and here.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC) That said, the article needs revamping; if the community decides to keep it, then I'll try to get the article shipshape.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 11:41, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Userfy. The problem here is that she's only known for making a pilot episode of a TV series that hasn't yet officially started running. OutTV did run the pilot episode, but a full season has not yet run and the coverage isn't really about Vu, but about the TV show/pilot episode. I think that we could probably rationalize a page for the TV series/pilot, but right now a page on Vu is a little bit WP:TOOSOON. None of the coverage given by User:Tomwsulcer shows a depth of coverage for Vu specifically, as three of the sources talks about the show (and one is just a picture) and the last one is a news story where Vu is only mentioned in passing. The general rule of thumb when it comes to stuff like this is that if someone is only known for one role and hasn't received any coverage for themselves (and again, the news articles are predominantly about the show), then we would redirect to that show/film's article. I'll try to bang one out and once I do, I'll post it and change this to a redirect. Until then, this is just too soon. Once the show releases there's a chance that she'll gain more coverage, so if all else fails this should probably be userfied or moved to the draftspace and watched. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   07:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I certainly recognize the potential for her to become sufficiently notable in the future, if and when the show actually gets a formal pickup announcement and coverage of it and her increase — in point of fact, as a Canadian who's actively involved in LGBT-related coverage I've had this show on my radar as a possible future article topic ever since it first started as a web series last year. Actual shooting on the television series isn't slated to begin until next year, so it's not there yet in terms of coverage, but my eye's certainly been and will continue to be on it. Similarly, the coverage of Julie Vu isn't there yet — Tomwsulcer's sources aren't really substantive coverage of her, but passing mentions of her name in coverage of the show's pilot — but she is likely to qualify once the show is closer to actually airing. I agree with Tokyogirl — sandbox in draft or user space for the time being. I'd even be willing to hang onto it in my sandbox if need be. Bearcat (talk) 20:47, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The source articles are more about the pilot than the person. The page should be saved but I think it's a little too soon for a dedicated article. Orasis (talk) 03:08, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:13, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: I've created an article for the show here, but I'm slightly concerned about it. I'm tempted to put it in the mainspace since the pilot episode *did* air and that technically does fulfill the claims in the article, but I'd like a little more coverage just to be safe. If anyone thinks it's good enough then I'm fine with it getting moved and Vu's article redirecting there. Tokyogirl79  (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:56, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm Tokyogirl, why didn't you ask for my opinion? A quick examination of your article Switch suggests it is ready for mainspace (enough sources to meet the GNG) but I still continue to think Julie Vu is notable as a subject. So keep both articles.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I still don't see enough substantive coverage of her in reliable sources for that — as noted by more than one user above, the sources you provided in this discussion are about the pilot, not about the person. Bearcat (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's pretty damn good, but what would make the determinative difference for me between sandbox and articlespace is the announcement of a firm broadcast date for the actual series. A lot can happen between the commissioning of a pilot and the actual airing of a full series — minor or major rewrites and/or casting changes; the channel could decide that the new episodes aren't living up to the pilot's potential and so it's not going to air them at all; the channel could go entirely bankrupt and leave the air permanently. I can't speak for other parts of the world, but in North American television even getting a series order is not an absolute guarantee that the series will ever actually air for real. So with rare exceptions, Wikipedia doesn't normally create articles about series pilots — we wait until the broadcaster has officially announced at an upfronts presentation that the airing of the full series is no longer just tentatively planned, but has actually been confirmed. Bearcat (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete, but.... WP:NACTOR would seem to indicate that an entertainer needs multiple roles to pass.  Vu, as far as I can see, is only known for a single television programme.  Normally, I'd say that the article should be merged to the one on the series, but there is no article yet for the series.  If/when one is created, this should be redirected there, unless Vu does other things.  I would not object to userification in the meantime.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC).
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