Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julien Hoffmann


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The result was keep (non-admin closure) - nomination withdrawn by proposer now that notability has now been established. A positive AFD discussion all round. Bob talk 21:19, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Julien Hoffmann

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Sorry, Ser. This composer seems non-notable to me. The Luxembourg wiki has one article, this one, which only mentions that he has joined the heavenly choir (that's the title of the page--I'm not being irreverent) and that he was "directeur honoraire de la chorale Caecilia de Walferdange". I can't find any other references anywhere. Drmies (talk) 04:01, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment, at the moment, as the nomination states, there isn't very much on this page to indicate his notability. He isn't in Grove for example. A very brief websearch brings up sentences like "Hoffmann was also a pivotal figure in the post-war recovery of Gebirtig’s compositions." and there's a brief list of choral compositions here. Is it possible that he is better known as a musician/choir conductor than a composer? I mean, Luxembourg is quite small - perhaps he's quite well-known there? I don't know what to suggest with regards to the proposed deletion, though. Bob talk 10:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I do know, unfortunately. Without reliable sources, deletion it must be. You're quite right that sources must be available in Luxembourg, which is a pretty hip and wired place, I think (and real pretty to boot). But the Lux article had nothing to offer, and there are no spelling or transliteration problems. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Can't find evidence of notability. Maybe non-Internet sources could be found in Luxembourg. ReverendWayne (talk) 15:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per expansion Although most of the sources I picked up were for Julien Hoffman which I started, a South African cardiologist, I found some info on Hoffmann which would indicate notability. These are him founding a choir in Luxembourg which has performed in front of royalty, and he was commissioned in 2000 to compose a song especially for the succession ceremony and is cited by the Luxembourgian government as it being the first performance of the song. Add to the fact his name is mentioned in some notable Luxembourg publications on culture and music I would say this is just enough to pass notability. Although Luxembourg is an extremely well developed country with arguably the highest standard of living in the world, I have noticed that biographical sources on the web and google books for many Luxembourgians is poor for some reason. I remember a while back I started some articles on jazz musicians who I know are notable and I could barely find anything on them. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:37, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Nomination withdrawn. Dr. Blofeld, you did it--congratulations. I don't know how you found that stuff, since I like to think of myself as halfway decent. Well done, and thanks. Whoever needs some practice, feel free to close it. (Maybe I should learn how to do that myself.) Drmies (talk) 21:43, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

No worries, I suspect there is also another Julien Hoffman from the late 19th and early 20th century. But this should just be OK. Cheers. I think the Gebirtig one is somebody different, he would have been a very young man to have befriended him and Yiddh theatre doesnn't fit with luxembourg really.. Unless i can find a source to support it then best to leave it..♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
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