Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/June 2010 West Bank shooting


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. NOTNEWS is a policy and trumps N. I note a proliferation of similar keep arguments at the end of the discussion by newish users. Spartaz Humbug! 04:18, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

June 2010 West Bank shooting

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An article about a shooting in the West Bank that left one dead and three injured. The article fails WP:NOTNEWS and  WP:EVENT. Jmundo (talk) 02:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions.  — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Some murders are not notable. This, however, is a terror attack in which murder was committed in the context of an ongoing struggle.  It is notable by definition.AMuseo (talk) 03:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you care to point out just which criteria of Speedy keep this AfD meets, or was that just a bit of embellishment on your part? Tarc (talk) 13:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - WP:NOTNEWS. This is exactly what NOTNEWS is about, a single event that has fleeting coverage. Note that every single source is from the day of this attack.  nableezy  - 03:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, a non notable news article, per WP:NOTNEWS. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS as above, one-off news-of-the-day, no assertion of historical significance or impact. Better suited for Wikinews, not an encyclopedia. Tarc (talk) 13:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per category Category:Terrorist incidents in 2010 Peculiar that the nom has singled out only these three Palestinian attacks and not any of the many other similar articles in the top level and sub-categories. This seems to be larger than one event, and should instead get some RfC instead. --Shuki (talk) 14:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - News event. A high bar for all new Israel-Palestine articles is called for and this doesn't clear it. Carrite (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as Wikipedia is not the news. There is no evidence of lasting impact. It is just a bank robbery with shooting. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  17:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "bank robbery", eh? I guess even pretending to make valid policy-based arguments that relate to the actual article in question is too much trouble now, and we're just throwing out any old thing that pops into our head these days. DO read the article and reconsider, or at least feign you know what you are talking about. HupHollandHup (talk)


 * Keep Per AMuseo and Shuki. Part of a larger event/phenomenon and given location of attack near Hebron, even more important following yesterday's murder of 4 Israelis. Plot Spoiler (talk) 18:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This is a well-sourced article on a notable terror attack. Wikipedia has space to retain articles on notable events, in addition to articles on the broader conflicts of which they are part.  As long as such articles are NPOV, I see no reason to delete.  In fact, I wish we had many more individual articles on particular battles, diplomatic incidents, and terrorist attacks, because these enable readers to click and learn about a specific incident in depth, and adds a great deal to what we can provide in articles on the larger struggle of which they are part.  See, for example, my recent article on St. Ninian's Church, Tynet.  It is a small example in the context of the larger topic of Clandestine churches, an article on which I recently did a major rewrite and expansion.  The article on clandestine churches must, in turn, be placed in the context of the Reformation.  Several users argue for  putting all terror attacks in a region  into one large article.   Following this logic, we could eliminate my articles on St. Ninian's Church, Tynet and Clandestine churches and redirect everything to Reformation.  But, can we understand the Reformation without understanding the phenomenon of clandestine churches? or understand what a clandestine church was without a small article showing us how Catholic churches had to be camouflaged to look like barns?   Similarly, can we understand the Arab-Israeli conflict, or the Islamist movement without understanding that it includes shooting attacks in times of peace?  And can we understand the nature of those attacks without small articles that explain in some detail the nature of particular attacks?  I argue that we cannot.  And that the great strength of Wikipedia is that it enables us to take our level of understanding both up to the mega level of the Reformation, Islamism, or the Arab Israeli conflict and also to turn up the magnification for a close look at St. Ninian's Church, Tynet and a shooting of Israeli police officers as they drove along a road.   This is Wikipedia's great strength.  It lets us do something that is difficult to do in a book or in any other literary or reference form.   Let us not destroy this strength  by deleting good articles on sub-topics.AMuseo (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "It's well-sourced" is a bit of a strawman response, as the sourcing was not a criteria cited by the nominator. News events are always reliably sourced; what the issue is is that there is really nothing here that shows it is significant or notable enough beyond a news blurb.  All the article is is a recitation of the shooting.  People died, it's tragic, it is a part of the cesspool that is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (which is really what is driving the movement here to article-ize each and every incident), but that is all that it is.  I'm not going to copypasta this response to the several other similar AfDs as you have yours, so consider this a general response to them all. Tarc (talk) 21:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. There seems to be a consensus on Wikipedia that terrorist attacks are notable. This one in particular is more notable than many, as it was carried out by Palestinian Fatah, a group that often fights terror. The argument that it has no long term impact rings hollow, since no evidence has been brought to show that this is the case; and I don't see any other arguments for deletion in this discussion. Shuki's concern that this AfD may be part of a pattern motivated by geographic considerations, or whatever, concerns me too. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 15:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * AGF? My nomination is based on the  accepted consensus of WP:NOTNEWS. There is a reason we don't have an article for every recent terrorism attack in the List of terrorist incidents, 2010. Making assumptions and accusations about my editing pattern is not the best way to go.  --Jmundo (talk) 21:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Check out this similar AfD. In fact, no one even injured here, thank God, yet virtual unanimous consensus for keep: Articles for deletion/2010 Discovery Communications headquarters hostage crisis. --Shuki (talk) 21:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia isn't news, but the Israeli-Palestinian conflict receives 10,000 more times the attention than any other war. Any incident could very well lead to its own wikipedia article. Terrorist attacks are notable and this was a blatant act of terror committed by an internationally-recognized terrorist organization. Compare a non-casualty car bomb ATTEMPT to successful acts of terrorism against civilians as was the case here. Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This was a significant incident.Josh02138 (talk) 02:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Many convincing arguments here that this article should be kept. I agree with Jalapenos do exist that it is particularly notable that it was carried out by Palestinian Fatah. KantElope (talk) 03:44, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.