Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:59, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021

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In short, I believe this article currently fails WP:NOTABILITY because it is WP:TOOSOON.

The article currently statisfies the following criteria:
 * It is verifyable, as the sources that are referenced are considered reliable by WikiProject Eurovison.
 * It is very likely to take place because it's a recurring event and two countries have already confirmed their participation, although of course that's not a guarantee (see the Eurovision Song Contest 2020).
 * It does not contain original research or other content that would warrant deletion.

However, I believe that the 2021 edition of the contest has not received significant coverage from independent sources. Most coverage is currently about the 2020 edition which happened last Sunday, and only a few Eurovision-centric sources are reporting about the next contest (for example, take a look at the references section; it is almost entirely Eurovoix).

The lack of significant coverage is also evident from the fact that the article is very empty; it only contains a small bit about the host country, and a few countries that intend to participate. However, that's of course not a criterion for WP:TOOSOON.

I already had a discussion about this yesterday on the article's talk page, but it did not have a resolution. &horbar;JochemvanHees (talk) 15:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Spiderone  17:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Spiderone  17:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Spiderone  17:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep or Draftify - Regardless of whether it is appropriate to be live or not, some of the information here is valuable. If it gets deleted, it is just gonna have to be re-created again. Foxnpichu (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify is probably the best option. Deleting it won't really help because it will just pop back up again like they always do. I strongly urge against keeping it as there is just too much WP:CRYSTAL this far out from when it is scheduled to take place. Grk1011 (talk) 18:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds like the best idea. I’ll change my pick inline with this. Foxnpichu (talk) 23:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notable event. Coverage is significant enough and will only continue to grow in future. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 14:43, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: The article will only continue to grow and it is valuable information. If it gets deleted then it will soon have to be re-created again. Aris Odi  ❯❯❯  talk  03:47, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not necessary to re-create it from scratch; we could also just draftify it. My point is to wait until it has actually grown and has become notable enough, and then put it in the mainspace again. &horbar;JochemvanHees (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that sounds like the best idea. Foxnpichu (talk) 17:47, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Now that the host country has been announced, it should definitely be kept in the mainspace. The article is well-sourced and substantial enough to be kept. Draftifying it will only make the content less accessible (especially for editors seeking to make contributions to the article) and the article will just be recreated over and over again. &#8213; Ætoms  [talk] 14:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, at least the article now contains info that isn't purely speculation. And although I still think that a full year in advance is way too soon for articles like these, I don't think it's worth it to continue this discussion anymore. &horbar;JochemvanHees (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. With both host country and broadcaster announced there's really no need to even draftify this. As said above, the article is well sourced and it will only build-up from now on. &horbar; Greeneyed soul (talk) 17:29, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is an annual competition, watched all over the world. Any new information comes at any minute. No need for a draft. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 18:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd like to remind you that we're talking about the 2021 edition, not JESC in general. Just because a recurring event is notable, doesn't per se mean that all editions of that event are notable too, and especially not future ones. &horbar;JochemvanHees (talk) 19:56, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify: Agree with Grk1011, moving into a draft space is probably the best solution and outright deletion will most likely result in subsequent creation and discussion. I am not disputing the reliability of sources or notability of the event, but there is very little information out there on this at the moment beyond the reveal of the host country (notably without city or venue details) and these details are also already covered on the main JESC article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:31, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * i prefer keep it -- Esc0fans - and my 12 points go to...  18:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I object to draftify, delete, merge, or redirect! The is a notable future event. There are sufficient sources on it. The information in the article is not crystalballing but the data of the event as it becomes known. gidonb (talk) 05:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - JESC 2021 has been confirmed. The article is sourced. I see no reason for deletion at this time. BabbaQ (talk) 23:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, for the reasons of those who want this article kept. Davidgoodheart (talk) 23:00, 15 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.