Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juran (Ultra monster)


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The result was   redirect to List of Ultra Q monsters. Black Kite 18:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Juran (Ultra monster)

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Non-notable monsters of the week from the Ultra man series, all the articles are totally unreferenced.


 * Gomess
 * Garamon
 * Kanegon
 * Kemur
 * Ragon
 * Bemular
 * Neronga

Ok that should be enough for now, there are still dozens to go through. Ridernyc (talk) 02:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * merge all into a list. If there is already a list, redirect to it.   Should be the default treatment for material of this sort.  DGG ( talk ) 04:19, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there is a list somewhere, not sure which one would be the right one though. Once you start exploring you find lists, of lists, of sublists.....

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete- as unsourced fancruft. A merge is not appropriate for the following reasons: a) the material to be merged is unsourced fancruft, b) the lists into which this junk is to be merged are already choc-a-block full of unsourced fancruft, don't need any more and are probably good candidates for deletion themselves, and c) most of these articles were already spun out of the lists against the good advice here, which suggests that articles about fiction should not degenerate into a mass of excessive in-universe coverage about trivia. Reyk  YO!  05:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment just so people have an idea of how big this problem is take look here Ultra_Monsters, when you first look at you think not bad most of them don't have articles. Then you start scrolling and scrolling and scrolling. I'm sorry but I don't think merging is a realistic option. First there is no way anyone is going to do the work to straighten out the mess and perform the merges. Second even if we do merge we end up with this List_of_Ultra_Q_monsters and I'm sorry but I don't see that as any sort of improvement. Ridernyc (talk) 06:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - most of the mentioned articles already have some skin on them and can be improved. Most are definitely not "non-notable" (just look at the japanese pages for them, for example Kanegon which is very notable) and interesting source for people not familiar with them. Shocklord (talk) 12:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to an appropriate list. Edward321 (talk) 14:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 *  Keep  - I just edited and referenced the Kanegon article, and will do so shortly for the other Monsters as well. The Ultra Q monsters from the 60s are an important element of japanese culture and deserve an entry. After all, there are articles for King Kong and Gill-man and nobody's questioning them. Rather than deletion, the improvement of these articles should be encouraged. Shocklord (talk) 14:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've struck through your second keep !vote, we only get one go each. Someoneanother 18:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge/Delete all As Someoneanother said, what little objective material there is should be saved but even after Shocklord's treatment of Kanegon I see no secondary sources establishing notability for the monster, just for the episodes. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:46, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Ultra Q monsters so as not to lose the content. Like all character articles, there needs to be significant coverage in reliable secondary sources in order to establish notability for these. Shocklord has located two good sources, Kaiju Fan and Sci Fi Japan, both of which are episode guides, one for Ultra Q and the other for Ultra Q: Dark Fantasy. They don't cover the monsters in enough detail to warrant individual articles, but they point to what we should have here, episode lists like this. A decent, verified episode list would knock these individual articles and the list of Ultra Q Monsters into a cocked hat in terms of reader usability and compliance with misc. policies and guidelines. Someoneanother 16:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep all If there is enough to fill an article on its own, it deserves its own article. If not, a redirect to a list article can be done.  Probably find more sources in Japanese news and book sources.   D r e a m Focus  01:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * check or type "カネゴン"(Kanegon) into google and you'll very easily see it's notable. Just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it should not be mentioned in wikipedia. Every child in Japan knows the story of Kanegon. Shocklord (talk) 14:18, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, Japenese -> English machine translations are terrible, but if there actually are sources that can back up what I think that article is saying, then it seems plenty notable enough for an article so I retract my previous opinion. I think the focus needs to be on why it's notable, but that's a problem with many fiction articles, so not a particular issue with this, but please provide sources regarding the real-world notability for articles like this that are harder for english-speakers to search for. VernoWhitney (talk) 04:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * now added references, including few available english-language books, to all monster articles mentioned. Shocklord (talk) 21:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah directories of every character in a series are great for referencing lists of characters not for referencing individual articles. Are you planning on on add 3rd party sources and real world context and character development. Ridernyc (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you want to delete this as well: Gena_the_Crocodile ?? I really don't understand why people put so much effort into deleting information rather than providing it ... Shocklord (talk) 14:22, 26 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Merge to List of Ultra Q monsters The articles do contain references, so interested editors can use such sources to aid a merge:


 * The Q-Files, Complete Ultra Q Episode Guide by Jim Cirronella & Kevin Grays, Originally published in KAIJU-FAN Issue # 4 November 1996.
 * Ultra Q Episode Guide.
 * Eiji Tsuburaya: Master of Monsters: Defending the Earth with Ultraman and Godzilla, by August Ragone, Chronicle Books (2007), ISBN 978-0811860789
 * Ultraman Monster Ultra Large Collection　(orig.: ウルトラ怪獣大全集), Domdom (1995), ISBN 978-4091014115
 * So Crazy Japanese Toys!, by Jimbo Matison, Chronicle Books (2003), ISBN 978-0811835299

Cunard (talk) 03:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.