Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Just Detention International


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 13:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Just Detention International

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This article has been tagged as lacking sources since 2011. Most of it was written by a handful of single purpose accounts. I have tried to find anything about them that's not a press release, without success. It appears to be a project of Russell Dan Smith, author of such peerless references as "Extraterrestrials And Sex",and the dates coincide with Smith's lawsuits.

Bluntly, this is advertising. It's also not notable. Superficial referenciness is provided by links to documents that are either self-published or do not discuss the subject at all, with one exception: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/226680.pdf, a mere namecheck. Guy (Help!) 23:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
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<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. The article needs updating, and perhaps better sources, but the organization is apparently functioning. Here's a 2019 article from its executive director in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser: https://www.newspapers.com/image/572354279/?terms=just%2Bdetention%2Binternational BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:40, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This appears to be a branch or an affiliate of a South African organization. https://www.bing.com/search?q=just+detention+international+south+africa&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:51, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The fact the organization still functions and has a South African office (mentioned in the article) does not equate to notability. Nor does the executive director having written one op-ed piece for a newspaper. On a side note, Russell Dan Smith also sued Wikimedia for hosting nudity among other things. -Crossroads- (talk) 03:06, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete First of all, the article reads very promotional. "Notable successes"? "Core beliefs"? Which is what Wikipedia is not. That aside, analyzing the references in the article:
 * 1) and 2) are WP:PRIMARY, comes from the (former?) president of the company
 * 3) Press release. WP:PRIMARY.
 * 4) and 5) Same as 1).
 * 6) The subject is not even mentioned.
 * 8)WP:PRIMARY.
 * 10) A passing mention (Just Detention International (JDI), the only US NGO dedicated solely to ending sexual abuse in detention, served on all eight of the expert committees appointed by the commission.)
 * 11) WP:SECONDARY requires sources from people that aren't connected to the subject. That isn't the case here (Just Detention International (formerly Stop Prisoner Rape) played a

pivotal role in our public hearings)
 * 12) Same as 1).
 * 13), 14), 18), 21), 26), 27), 28) Sources I cannot access.
 * 15), 16), 17), 19), 22), 29) Same as 1), all WP:PRIMARY
 * 20), 24), 25) The subject is not mentioned.

In my searches I have found lots of passing mentions like, with a half-decent source in. But not enough, so as such fails WP:NCORP. The BeenAroundAWhile's argument that the company is notable because it is functioning is not based in any policy or guidelines, plus the article mentioned is a WP:PRIMARY (comes from the exec-director). Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:17, 6 September 2019 (UTC)


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