Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Just Peck


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 00:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Just Peck

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I can't find any secondary coverage of this film whatsoever. No results on BoxOfficeMojo, which suggests it wasn't released in theaters. It certainly exists (is for sale on Amazon) and the cast includes Brie Larson but that isn't sufficient for an article. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 21:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete See comment below. Fails WP:NFO and WP:GNG. I searched Google, JSTOR, ProQuest for articles, and Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic for reviews and did not find significant coverage. Z1720 (talk) 21:38, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article indicates that the film involved at least nine actors, and several other people, with articles. It would make little sense to turn all the links in their filmographies to redlinks, thereby removing relevant information about their careers and creating holes in the referencing. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete If one could only look at reliable sources, I think one would be hard-pressed to prove this film ever existed. Unfortunately, articles can't be written out of nothing. Jlevi (talk) 02:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete we have absolutely no indication of any reviews of the film. The fact that many of the creators have articles does not mean we need to have an article on this film. Lots of notable people are involved in some projects that are not notable. Plus, Wikipedia has long created lots of articles on actors and actresses who do not actually meet any reasonable notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:35, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The latter point may be true enough in other cases but does not apply here: Adam Arkin, Camryn Manheim, and Keir Gilchrist, among others, are highly notable actors, and Brie Larson is a featured article. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:52, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe articles cannot inherit notability, as per the WP:INHERIT essay. I remain as delete because I cannot find sources that show notability per WP:GNG. To change to keep I would need sources that show significant coverage of Just Peck in reliable sources. If the film is notable in an actor's career, perhaps it can be mentioned in that actor's article. Z1720 (talk) 14:16, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's clearly a minor and largely forgotten film, but no one has addressed the point I made above that deleting the article would leave pointless redlinks in a dozen articles and weaken their referencing. Leaving the article alone, however, would be completely harmless. So what is the value of deleting it? Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:51, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The commentator above stated, "Leaving the article alone, however, would be completely harmless." I disagree. This article has no citations, meaning we cannot verify the information (WP:V) and it contains entirely original research (WP:NOR). Furthermore, we are having difficulty finding WP:RS that can be used for citations. As an encyclopedia, it's important that we hold ourselves to a consistent standard which we can showcase when someone challenges our work. The harm of keeping this article is that it breaks the core policies we gave ourselves for building the encyclopedia. The value of deleting it is stating, "We cannot verify the information in the article, so we at Wikipedia would rather have no information than a chance of publishing incorrect information." If a standard needs to be changed, perhaps an WP:RfC might be a place to continue that conversation.
 * In response to the concern about redlinks, there are 22 mainspace articles that link to Just Peck. If this article is deleted, perhaps we can work together to remove the wikilinks. Z1720 (talk) 19:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This AfD raises some interesting meta-issues, which I have discussed in an essay, here. I would welcome any comments on its talkpage. My thanks to everyone here for a thought-provoking discussion. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:34, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Just another case of WP:IGNORINGATD. Why wouldn't you merge this into a page like List of Brie Larson performances rather than deleting it?  The movie is certainly lacking in coverage but this is so bad it's good as it makes #1 in the 20 Forgettable '00s Teen Comedies Only True Fans Remember.  And if you search carefully you can actually find a review – see the Oklahoma Gazette. Q.E.D. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is really scraping for sources, but they do exist; they're short, but they are multiple, from Reliable sources (most of them) that we at least have Wikipedia articles about (all of them), and are specifically about the film as such (all but the Larson interview). That meets WP:GNG, though not by a lot, granted. This will never be an FA, but between these sources, and User:Newyorkbrad's concern of making for a red link in quite a few articles about more notable actors, it can make a perfectly respectable stub. --GRuban (talk) 12:04, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Short article about distribution of the film.
 * Short newspaper review. (Also mentioned by Andrew Davidson immediately above.)
 * Brie Larson speaks about how this connects her with Keir Gilchrist and their TV series United States of Tara.
 * Another short newspaper review.
 * Longer review on a website we have an article about.
 * Comment This is a longer review, albeit from a website whose mission appears to be to catalogue every appearance of Chucks in a movie. P-K3 (talk) 14:18, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The sourcing provided by GRuban are enough to keep the article. --Enos733 (talk) 15:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Citations/reviews found and mentioned above are enough to pass WP:NFILM. Donaldd23 (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Chanding my vote due to the Colorodo Springs and Oklahoma Gazette reviews fulfiling WP:NFO C1 and additional sources above fulfiling WP:GNG. Z1720 (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as multiple reliable sources coverage including reviews have been identified in this discussion that show that the film passes WP:GNG and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)


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