Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Cecil


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The result was   delete. j⚛e deckertalk 06:02, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Justin Cecil

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Unremarkable college career, and has only played in some minor semi-professional leagues since then. Fails WP:NBASKETBALL and WP:GNG. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 09:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Keep Per WP:NBASKETBALL that states "or a similar major professional sports league". The Siguria Superleague (he played there between October and December 2013) is a professional basketball league so he is a professional basketball player. Also does meet WP:GNG as a general search for him in google will find many reliable links for him – primary and secondary sources. DaHuzyBru (talk) 09:13, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * First, it doesn't say any professional league, but one similar to the ones mentioned there. The Siguria Superleague certainly isn't anywhere near that level. Second, what leads you to this conclusion, apart from our article claiming so? Concerning the GNG, I only find the usual trivialities, no detailed coverage on the person. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 10:23, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 10:02, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Can you disprove that it's not a professional league? Basketball appears to be a popular sport in Kosovo, and according to the main Kosovo basketball website, there appears to be junior/lower leagues then the number one Superleague i.e. junior league, cadet league, first league. I'd definitely say it's a professional league; not on the same level as other European leagues, yes, but professional none-the-less. Regarding coverage, I provided many reliable sources on Justin Cecil – there are plenty of worse, non-notable and non-deserving Wikipedia articles out there. I personally think I did a fine job with this article (well sourced, well set-out/formatted) – I am well aware of what's a notable basketball article and what's not, and Cecil is surely notable enough... DaHuzyBru (talk) 11:06, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Your arguments (WP:OTHERSTUFF etc.) are of the kind that lead us nowhere. I don't know what level of professionalism you think exists in one of the poorest areas in Europe, but I couldn't find anything on attendance rates or the clubs' yearly budgets, and the teams don't take part in any international competitions. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 14:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * And btw, concerning your comment that you're "well aware of what's a notable basketball article": You're correct in noting that articles on players such as James Legan and Corey Easley (who began his career in the 3rd German division) haven't been nominated for deletion yet, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're in concordance with the notability guidelines. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Non-notable basketball player who has played at junior college, small college, minor league pro and semi-pro levels, none of which satisfy the specific notability guidelines of WP:NCOLLATH or WP:NBASKETBALL. Kosovo pro league?  Seriously?  Not on par even with the secondary European leagues.  Media does not rise to the level of significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources to satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:13, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NHOOPS. Jakejr (talk) 05:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can't find reliable, independent sources on him to meet GNG. And when I think of the "comparable leagues" line in NBASKETBALL, I think of the top leagues in Greece, Turkey, Russia, etc, not Kosovo.  These are really the type of leagues the guideline was meant to cover. Rikster2 (talk) 10:44, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
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