Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Long (pornographic actor)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 01:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Justin Long (pornographic actor)

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Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. By established consensus, the Urban X awards fail the "well-known/significant" standard. No nontrivial biographical content. No independent reliable sourcing. Tendentiously deprodded by the usual suspect. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 23:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Fails PORNBIO as the nominator states. Urban X is not a significant well-known award. No significant reliable source coverage found to pass GNG. Searching is complicated by false positive hits for the mainstream actor with the same name. • Gene93k (talk) 00:12, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as I encountered this from the other actor Justin Long and there's nothing to suggest better improvement. SwisterTwister   talk  07:07, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Urban X Award is well-known porn award, meets of the PORNBIO. Subtropical -man   talk   (en-2)   10:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - he's notable enough to have his own article on Wikipedia. First of all he's member of Urban X Awards' Hall of Fame! And then he has enough coverage in reliable sources like LA Weekly, Complex , NBC and AVN . --JamieTheGenius (talk) 11:00, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Nominator - The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) wrote: "By established consensus, the Urban X awards fail the "well-known/significant" standard" - please link to consensus about Urban X awards and fail Pornbio. Also, please stop personal attack in description of AfD, the AfD concerns "Articles for deletion", not users and your opinions about other users. This is the last warning. Subtropical -man   talk   (en-2)   11:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's so right, for example here. I'm still wondering why Rebecca1990 didn't write about this to admin? This ″The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo)″ guy is so agressive with everyone who edits porn-related articles. ″your behavior was described as "appalling" bad faith by univolved administrators. Multiple experienced users have characterized you as a paid editor. You're undeniably an SPA with an agenda.″, who told you that you can talk this way with anyone? --JamieTheGenius (talk) 14:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails the guidelines for pornogaphic actors.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:33, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Note: I have recently edited the article under consideration here. The subject here "is a member of an industry Hall of Fame". A lot of the past-cited AFD discussions about the Urban X Awards have really been about many of the miryad of insignificant award categories that this now defunct award ceremony gave out. The only past AfD that I think might be relevant to this discussion here appears to be this one, which did not have a large number of participants back in 2009. Any GNG-type claim here is likely borderline at best at this time. Guy1890 (talk) 00:56, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, Guy, there have been several more AFDs directly addressing the Urban X awards/Hall of Fame issue, and they've pretty clearly resolved the issue: the "honors" fail the well-known/significant standard in PORNBIO. At least five members of this ersatz Hall of Fame have been deleted; no AFD has been closed as kept under recent versions of PORNBIO based on the award alone. I believe the most recent instance, less than a year ago, was Articles for deletion/Shyla Stylez, which also dealt specifically with the "hall of fame", and I'll repeat my analysis from there, since it has somehow escaped your attention:

The Urban X Hall of Fame is not an industry hall of fame, or equivalent to one. It was part of the Urban X awards, a short-lived for-profit awards ceremony run by one Giana Taylor, a minor porn director, married to Alexander DeVoe, a more active porn director/performer. DeVoe has won a staggering 36 awards from his wife's coatrack-event, another dozen or so have gone to his producing partner, one Brian Pumper; and, overall, the majority of these awards have gone to performers associated with Taylor and her husband. For example, in the years running up to this ersatz recognition, Sheila Stylez made about 20 releases for Jules Jordan Productions, a porn producer which partnered with Alexander Devoe. The Urban X awards and hall of fame have repeatedly been found to fail the PORNBIO standards. See

Articles for deletion/Kitten (pornographic actress) Articles for deletion/Aurora Jolie Articles for deletion/Devlin Weed Deletion_review/Log/2011_January_24 Articles_for_deletion/Cherokee_D%27Ass_%283rd_nomination%29 Articles_for_deletion/Kaiya_Lynn Articles for deletion/Ray Victory (2nd nomination) Articles for deletion/Kirra Lynne

I know of no discussions resulting in a keep (under the current "well-known and significant" standard, which by consensus was made more restrictive than mere notability). If Scott Boras were to create a "hall of fame" for collegiate baseball players, and most of the members turned out to be young players he represented, there would be little argument that the "award" didn't demonstrate notability. One person's actions don't create an "industry award"; one person giving trophies out that primarily promote her husband's business interests is clearly not significant. Note that the only sources related to to this award, both in this article and the award article, are Urban X's own announcements. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 16:12, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * So, there no discuss and consensus for Urban X awards that fail the "well-known/significant"/Pornbio. Over the last few years - opinions are different (and widely scattered on Wikipedia): some users treated Urban X awards as significant, some users not. Subtropical -man   talk   (en-2)   20:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm unfortunately familiar with Mr. Wolfowitz's "wall of text" that he routinely cuts & pastes into these types of discussions, but again - much of it isn't relevant to this specific discussion under consideration here.
 * -the Aurora Jolie AfD apparently hinged on, in part, an "award nomination for 'Best Anal Scene'", which does not apply to the current version of PORNBIO at all or to this AfD here.
 * -the Kirra Lynne AfD apparently hinged on, in part, an award win in "Best Couples Sex Scene", which does not apply to the current version of PORNBIO at all or to this AfD here.
 * -the Kaiya Lynn AfD apparently hinged on, in part, some kind of Urban X Award nomination, which does not apply to the current version of PORNBIO at all or to this AfD here.
 * -the Carmen Hayes DRV apparently hinged on, in part, an award win for "Nicest Breasts in Porn", which is pretty obviously an insignificant award category.
 * -the Cherokee D'Ass AfD hinged on, in part, an award win for "Biggest Ass in Porn", which (as I commented at the time) should not "be considered a 'significant industry award'".
 * -the 2011 Devlin Weed & Ray Victory AfDs unfortunately seemed to hinge on the same old 2009 "Kitten" AfD that I already mentioned above, and they both were even more poorly-attended than the 2009 "Kitten" AfD.
 * -the Shyla Stylez AfD is indeed from late 2014, but it was initiated by a banned sockpuppeter - so I think we can consider that it was made in bad faith from the beginning.
 * I understand that there are a select few editors on Wikipedia that love to denigrate all of the adult film-related awards under pretty much the same guise by just basically taking the same argument and inserting the name of an adult film industry awarding organization into that old argument, but I personally don't think that's how we should be conducting ourselves in a truly fair manner here at all. It's been obvious for many years that not all award categories at all adult film industry award ceremonies are significant. Guy1890 (talk) 06:18, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails GNG. An embarrassingly vacuous piece that includes no real biographical information, a throwaway "in popular culture" type reference as an actual line of content, and IMDB-type data that belongs on some other website. Carrite (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per John & Carrite - Fials PORNBIO & GNG. – Davey 2010 Talk 23:41, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails PORNBIO & GNG; also fails notability as per @The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo)'s rationale and examples of other AFDS. Quis separabit?  14:01, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Per sub tropical man's vacuous commentary. Spartaz Humbug! 22:44, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


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