Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Mottier


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Justin Mottier

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV, and Notability_(sports). Short career before returning to the amateur ranks and best result was second for a race (2.2) that does not meet significance standard if even it had been a win "won a UCI category race (minimum classification 1.1 / 2.1". KeepItGoingForward (talk) 04:12, 17 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:17, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Cycling,  and France. Shellwood (talk) 10:46, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Competed at professional level, there are definitely sources out there. I can find a good amount from the French version of the article already. Seacactus 13 (talk) 15:58, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes they did compete professionally, but which references meet the significant coverage threshold? The rider also did not win anything of significance. Just because a rider was professional does not make them notable. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 05:50, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Once again, it appears that you did no WP:BEFORE, I found plenty of coverage on him and greatly expanded the article in only a few minutes. You have to consider non-English sources. I found lots of eveidence of GNG and SIGCOV. You cannot only judge notability on purely results and what is avaiable in English. Seacactus 13 (talk) 22:09, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * He may have some coverage, but it is not significant. As an example one can be seen by the links you posted around his retirement such as the reference number 10 to his retirement which you linked to a dead page. When pulled from the archieve.org and if we use google translate it states, "Like his teammate Adrien Garel, Justin Mottier announced on social networks that he was leaving professional cycling. Not kept by B&B Hotels-Vital Concept, a team to which he belonged since its creation, the Mayennais, third in the Route Adélie in 2018, posted a message on his Twitter account.
 * "Life goes on, different but just as exciting"
 * "The professional adventure only lasted 3 years. Disappointed but not defeated. Life goes on, different but just as exciting. A huge thank you to those who allowed me to reach this level: my family, my club trainer, my amateur clubs, and of course B&B Hotels-Vital Concept. Thanks also to all the people who have always encouraged me throughout these years. Remorse but no regrets!""
 * It is basically a copy and paste of his social media message and the lack of significant coverage around his retirement shows that as a cyclist he is not notable. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 22:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That is one source. How about the other ten? You cannot jusge his enture notability based on one event, such as retirement. Once again, you look at this from a very narrow perpective. Seacactus 13 (talk) 22:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Which sources do you believe show significant coverage that meets the threshold of GNG to show notability? KeepItGoingForward (talk) 22:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I would also appreciate if you would no longer continue the personal attacks here, on other pages, and on my talk page. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 22:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you believe was a personal attack, I was simply evaluating your AfD nomination of this article and your reasoning, which is the point of these discussions. I'm not interested in fighting, so I will discuss no more on this page. I found sources and improved the article and stated my belief on the article's notability, and I will leave it at this. Sorry if you disagree with my opinions and do not like what I said, but that is the purpose of these discussions. Also, I did not even add the source you pointed out earlier; it was already present on the article. And to answer your question, I belive most of these sources to show notability. Seacactus 13 (talk) 23:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * None of the items are significant, but there are a multitude of sources that prove GNG and continued coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 17:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Relisting to examine expansion of article and new sources found. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:56, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Many source's shown to meet WP:GNG after the expansion. The rider competed professionally plus had amateur success so other sources will be out there likely in french. Paulpat99 (talk) 04:56, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. After going through the sources, I feel there isn't enough there to pass GNG, mostly Q&A interviews with little or no input from the author. Alvaldi (talk) 11:36, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per Nom and Alvaldi. I don't see every "professional" cyclist deserving an article but in just one list (List of cyclists) it seems that if you make a list there are those that will make an article. According to that page (and others) it is not a "narrow perpective" (sic) but a fact. WikiProject Cycling states: Wikipedia has especially strict requirements for articles. Potentially many articles useful to cyclists do not meet Wikipedia's requirements for encyclopedic content. "Useful to cyclists" would be a more narrow meaning than "useful to readers". Not only should notability be dependent on sports related venues (not interviews) it should also require significant coverage in Independent sources. I glanced at several and luck would have it they all were on the same par as Barbara Malcotti. It is stated above "The rider competed professionally plus had amateur success so other sources will be out there likely in french." Just competing does not equate notability outside the cycling world. -- Otr500 (talk) 02:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep More than enough coverage in French media, including this as an example, about him talking about retirement. Oaktree b (talk) 17:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * And this, fairly significant coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 17:30, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Enough coverage in French sources to justify inclusion., , , , , , . Jfire (talk) 00:07, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a real, notable person. I do not think we should delete this article. Maine   🦞  19:44, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


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