Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justincase


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 07:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Justincase

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Band fails WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG. No major chart success, no major tours, no real media coverage turns up in a google search. Nouse4aname (talk) 19:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Unnotable band.  Triplestop  x3  20:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable. Hell, even their label dropped them when they couldn't sell records despite "heavy promotion". Niteshift36 (talk) 08:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm finding some sources, plenty of coverage in the Charlotte Observer and some national media coverage such as this article too. This article notes coverage on MTV. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 05:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm frankly surprised that others in this AfD discussion did not notice all the available sources. None were cited in the article at the time of nomination, but Google News archives have quite a lot, and there was a quote from Billboard already in the article. I've started expanding the article; more to come. There's easily enough for the general notability guideline, or WP:MUSIC criterion #1. Keep. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 14:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So there's a bit of (local) media coverage. As per WP:MUSIC, passing any one of the criteria only means that the band may be notable enough to warrant an article. The fact that the band failed to make any impact on the music scene, and was dropped by the record label as a consequence suggests to me that sufficient notability is not really achieved. Nouse4aname (talk) 17:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The band "failed to make any impact on the music scene" is not a reason for deletion per deletion policy. It appears to be your own personal assessment of the band's significance. The point of WP:N is to make a neutral assessment, and the neutral way we assess a band's notability is to see whether multiple independent sources have covered the subject in a non-trivial way, as long as other policies such as WP:NOT are not violated. With multiple articles in many newspapers in the U.S. and Canada, as well as commentary from critics in Newsday and Billboard, that's sufficient for Wikipedia. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 18:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * From WP:MUSIC: "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:" (emphasis added). From WP:GNG: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." I'm not convinced that coverage in what seems to be local media only (what is actually said about the band in the Newsday article - it seems to be about Nick Carter, thus Justincase is not the "subject of this media coverage", but seemingly just mentioned in passing). Similarly, for the Billboard article, what is specifically stated about the band? It seems to be just a general article from the title. Could you provide links to these or summarise what is actually said if they are not online? If Justincase is not the sole subject of these two pieces, then they do not contribute to the "significant media coverage", which would then leave the media coverage standing at just 3 local papers. The fact that the band failed to make any impact means that they also failed to satisfy any of the other criteria at WP:MUSIC, and only marginally meet C1, which with only 3 local papers bothering with them doesn't seem to overwhelmingly support the notion that they are a "notable" act. Nouse4aname (talk) 18:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not a marginal case, as it is not just "3 local papers". There are entire articles in the Charlottetown Guardian (which is from Canada, really nowhere near North Carolina) and on the Knight Ridder news wire. The Knoxville News Sentinel (from Tennessee) reviewed their album, and a national kids' magazine did a fun feature on them. Billboard wrote about the band's history with Michelle Branch, their signing with Maverick Records, the video being in rotation on MTV, and had a bit of an interview with the band's lead singer—in all, it's about one-quarter of a long article about North Carolina's music scene. The Newsday review is of Nick Carter's concert, at which this band opened, and one of the eight paragraphs is about Justincase. And that's just what I've found so far. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 18:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  I 'mperator 20:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Update – I've now also cited a feature article in the Phoenix New Times, and an Allmusic review. If anyone has access to The Charlotte Observer through a database, more could be added from those articles. . Thanks, Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 01:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 03:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, easily passes WP:MUSIC. Nice work PE.   Esradekan Gibb    "Klat" 02:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Paul Eric. The sources establish notability.--Pink Bull (talk) 01:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.