Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justine Joli (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep.  Sandstein  18:11, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Justine Joli
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Subject fails WP:PORNBIO as only nominations are listed. Sufficient RS coverage is not available to meet WP:GNG. Subject's various appearances are minor and do not meet WP:NACTOR. Previous AfD in January of 2015 closed as "keep" but i found arguments presented to be not in line with Wiki's notability guidelines. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:21, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep, sufficient secondary source coverage to meet the requirements of WP:GNG. WP:PORNBIO is presently in a state of flux according to the talk page, though the unfortunate wording requiring not merely being nominated but actually winning an award seems silly. —Locke Cole • t • c 02:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep, she has won no awards but she has converted to mainstream media (film and theatre) appearances and if properly sourced thus passes both the WP:GNG as WP:PORNBIO notability criteria. -- fdewaele, 29 August 2016, 18:39 CET.
 * Keep. Joli fails every applicable SNG, but the cumulative effect of the admittedly minor coverage in multiple discrete fields is enough to satisfy the GNG, barely. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006.  (talk) 23:28, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Barely scrapes through WP:GNG but she has had roles in film. Article needs better copy too. 80.249.56.149 (talk) 15:25, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I'm not seeing how the article meets GNG. Here's the section on non-adult entertainment ventures:

Joli has appeared twice on The Howard Stern Show and three times on The Opie and Anthony Show.

Joli also captured in Edouard Salier's short movie, "Flesh" which describes the life and death of Manhattan during a fictional 9/11. She also appeared (along with porn stars Charlotte Stokely, Charmane Star, Erika Vution, and Stacey Adams) in the blaxploitation spoof Black Dynamite. She stars on the 2010 Nerdcore Horror Calendar.

In 2009 Joli played supporting role in the softcore television series Life on Top.

Joli was cast in the role of Caligula's wife, Caesonia, in the Off Broadway theatre production Caligula Maximus, scheduled to run at New York's Ellen Stewart Theatre in March–April 2010. She garnered the role after working as a burlesque dancer at a New York performance venue run by Randy Weiner, the play's co-producer and co-writer.

, Joli is the owner and operator of a medical marijuana business called Green Fairy Edibles which produces infused beef jerky. She stated in an April 2015 article that she supplies as much as 1,000 ounces of jerky to marijuana dispensaries a month.

Joli is a self described geek with a love of anime, science fiction, Macs, Camping and cartoons. She is also into nude sports, such as naked bungee jumping and naked whitewater rafting. She was romantically involved with porn director D. Cypher for several years.

These are minor appearances -- Howard Stern show, Black Dynamite, etc. Life on Top mention is uncited. Her role in Caligula is cited to AVN; "Other ventures" section (dispensary business). Personal life section is cited to Ms Jolie's web site and blog.adultdvdtalk.com. D Cypher relationship is cited to Village Voice, which is a free weekly and is not a suitable source for BLPs. If these sources were presented at an AfD outside of the adult entertainment industry, I assume they would be rejected as non RS. K.e.coffman (talk) 15:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - NOTE: I've recently, heavily-edited the article under consideration here since the above posting. There are still a few dead links that will likely be fixed soon (when the automated bot that usually senses & changes those kind of links gets around to this article).
 * FWIW, the previous AfD on this subject was unfortunately started as part of a pointy, mass-AfD crusade by an editor that left Wikipedia a while back when their favorite article was deleted. Guy1890 (talk) 03:46, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Has received enough coverage to pass the GNG. And how is The Village Voice not a reliable source? It has received many journalism awards, including ones for Investigative Reporting. Wikiuser20102011 (talk) 18:03, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Joli has appeared twice on The Howard Stern Show and three times on The Opie and Anthony Show.

Joli is also captured in Edouard Salier's short movie Flesh, which describes the life and death of Manhattan during a fictional 9/11. She also appeared (along with adult film stars Charlotte Stokely, Charmane Star, Erika Vution, and Stacey Adams) in the blaxploitation spoof Black Dynamite. She starred in the 2010 Nerdcore Horror Calendar.

From 2009-11, Joli played supporting role in the softcore television series Life on Top.

Joli was cast in the role of Caligula's wife, Caesonia, in the Off Broadway theatre production Caligula Maximus, which was scheduled to run at New York's Ellen Stewart Theatre in March–April 2010. She garnered the role after working as a burlesque dancer at a New York performance venue (The Box) run by Randy Weiner, the play's co-producer and co-writer.

, Joli was the owner and operator of a medical marijuana business called Green Fairy Edibles which produced cannabis-infused beef jerky. She stated in an April 2015 AVN article that she supplies as much as 1,000 ounces of jerky to marijuana dispensaries a month.

Joli is a self described geek with a love of anime, science fiction, Macs, and cartoons. She is also into nude sports, such as naked bungee jumping and naked whitewater rafting. She was romantically involved with adult film director D. Cypher for several years.

I've looked at the revised section, and it's still unconvincing:


 * There are several appearances at shows, but this tells us nothing about the subject.
 * Black Dynamite appearance is cited to IMDB and Blackdynamite.com (both primary sources).
 * Life on Top is cited to IMDB.
 * Appearance in Caligula is cited to AVN and Ms Jolie's web site.
 * Medical marijua venture is cited to AVN
 * Her personal life is cited to her web site and a dead link

I don't see "significant coverage from reliable sources" here. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:17, 5 September 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nordic   Nightfury  13:03, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable pornographic actress.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:38, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - meet WP:GNG. Subtropical -man   talk  (en-2)  21:46, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, per all the above keep reasons. Pwolit iets (talk) 10:00, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I still don't see how the subject has met GNG by "receiving significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." The sources in the article are not even close to enough to develop a reliable, balanced biography of a living person. No new sources have been presented at the AfD either. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


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