Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jy Ding


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Appears to fail GNG. Thanks everyone for participating and assuming good faith! Missvain (talk) 18:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Jy Ding

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Outside of a few forum posts, the non-RS Eye of Chan, only the obituary from the Honolulu Advertiser has any significant coverage on the subject. Not enough for WP:GNG. — MarkH21talk 10:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for educating me. I don't understand your rules so I will wait for a verdict. There is no money involved in the making of this page; nor, that I'm aware, in the presence of it. Brofitable (talk) 10:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Because of a discussion on Wikimedia Commons about https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JyDinHsuYun2in.jpg, I have removed that image from Jy Ding. The discussion resulted in a Wikipedia editor finding another resource online:

https://kknews.cc/fo/l8yl32e.html

I have added this in the citations because it shows, or purports to show "In 1947, the old monk Xuyun and Master Zhiding took a group photo in front of the Guangzhou Zoulu Mansion" and so this is evidence of a close relationship between the two figures.

I was unsure what MarkH21 meant by 'coverage on this subject' but perhaps this second source is enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brofitable (talk • contribs) 14:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

I have now also added a citation: https://www.yelp.com/biz/hsu-yun-temple-honolulu - I didn't see much point in adding this page to the wayback machine. Older copies of this page on the internet archive just load a reCAPTCHA. Brofitable (talk) 14:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Request to address, improve, resolve the following pages in this order Jy Ding > Chuan zhi > Koro Kaisan Miles > Michael Pockley as the way one is resolved may affect the next. Brofitable (talk) 17:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete – it doesn't appear that the article subject meets WP:GNG or any other part of our notability guideline. – Levivich 17:30, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Citations added per discussion of articles for deletion / Hsu Yun Temple Zenothing (talk) 16:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - lacks in-depth coverage from reliable sources. Does not appear to be notable. -Zanhe (talk) 00:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

A couple of new sources found. One of them inspires an edit which may be sensitive. Posting the candidate edit here, instead of on the article's talks page, for debate:

While notable for its innovative approach, the level of Jy Ding's legacy order's impact thus far may be a matter for further research. There are two institutions under the name "Zen Buddhist Order of Hsu Yun" , although there is some indication that duplication should not be presumed to mean there is any dispute as to which of these is the rightful holder of that name.

Zenothing (talk) 11:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Now that I understand how dharma names are given in this lineage, and have access to the relevant tonsure poem, I was able to conduct a better web search here, for Chuan zhi, and for Hsu Yun Temple. Several new citations added to each.Zenothing (talk) 11:52, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: Just in case it is not evident to other editors coming here, is the same editor as  (via an appropriate user rename). — MarkH21talk 02:04, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:MILL. "Close relationship" and "student of" does not cut it anymore. Bearian (talk) 15:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


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