Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K17HC


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Going with the deletes on this one. If you need to see the article to merge any content, please let me know. I'm also happy to support a redirect to whatever page ya'll suggest. Missvain (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

K17HC

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Not notable translator station, as per WP:BCAST. No source has been provided to show this was anything but a translator station. Rusf10 (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:54, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:54, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete or at best redirect to Gray Television/KAUU. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:35, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Even as early as 2007, an application to modify the construction permit said that this was to be a translator of KYES in Anchorage. Perhaps merge anything useful to KAUU (the successor to KYES), but no objection to deletion either. -- WC  Quidditch  ☎   ✎  06:57, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep — The nominator fails to disclose here that this article was part of a slew of PRODs they initiated, all offering the exact same rationale (the first sentence in this rationale). This particular PROD was contested on the basis of BCAST, WP:NTEMP and WP:DEGRADE (explained below).  Their response was to suddenly change the argument (the second sentence in this rationale).  BCAST does not address the unique circumstances of this station.  Rather, it is pretty clear-cut: either a station originates a signal to a broadcast area and is notable, or repeats a signal originating elsewhere and is not notable.  At the time of this article's creation in 2009, it described a station which met the former criteria.  Under the very black-and-white standards of BCAST, the fact that it was a low-power UHF station broadcasting programming commonly found these days on digital television subchannels is irrelevant.  Wikipedia's coverage of television outlets in the United States has been hijacked by a small group of editors who work almost exclusively in this topic area, are dismissive and even passive-aggressive towards input from the editing community at large, and who have weighted coverage of the topic area heavily towards current/recent events and the small handful of broadcasting companies which pass properties back and forth as if they were a cheap whore.  The nominator's editing activity shows them to be one such person.  I've been editing articles on television outlets for close to a decade and there are plenty of minor stations where third-party sourcing is sorely lacking.  The consensus has been that the information found in BIA and FCC-LMS-Facility are suitable substitutes for third-party citations in establishing notability.  This is problematic in this case, as it allows for NTEMP and DEGRADE to be flagrantly disregarded and gives credence to the notion that notability hinges solely on current mention in the linked databases.  The nominator seeks to capitalize on the lack of current mention in those databases, as well as diverting your attention away from the station's early history when it held a claim to notability and have you focus on it later becoming a translator and still later becoming defunct.  Another argument raised here is that it should redirect to Gray Television, ignoring that its history as a translator (never mind the prior history described above) precedes Gray's purchase of KYES.  This is another widespread POV found in coverage of this topic area, namely that by buying a broadcast property, one is entitled to buy exposure on the encyclopedia. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  15:27, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ignoring your continued personal attacks and allegation that I am part of some type of conspiracy, you still have not put forth a single source to back up your claims. When you first deporded this with a personal attack against me in which you accused me of being an WP:SPA, I responded by pinging you and asking you for a source . You ignored my request, so after waiting over a week, I took the article to AfD. And you still have not put forth a single source to back up your claim that the station was independently notable in 2009. user:Wcquidditch is the only person to provide a source and that source directly contradicts your claim because it shows that at least as early as 2007, this was a translator station. As I already explained to you, I am not claiming temporary notability, so that's another false claim. What I am asserting is that the station never has been notable at any point in time. So if I am wrong, I am asking you one more time, where are the sources to back up your claims?--Rusf10 (talk) 16:32, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at this further. It is indisputable that K17HC and KYES have always been co-owned. Before Gray purchased the stations in 2015, they were owned by fireweed communications. Both always had the same affiliation too. Without any other evidence presented (which still is the case here), I have to believe K17HC repeated KYES's programming. If I'm wrong, provide a source.--Rusf10 (talk) 16:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:48, 22 April 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kichu🐘 Need any help? 19:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


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