Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KC Pace


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

KC Pace

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Article about a non-notable soccer team. While this has been fleshed out by the single purpose account that created it, it looks a lot better than it really is. There appear to be over 40 references, but try to find one that actually uses the words "KC Pace", or is even a reliable source in the first place. Some players who have been on this team have apparently gone on to bigger things, but notability is not inherited. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The KC Pace team and KC players' success was a historic milestone in the progress of soccer in the United States. The KC Pace's 2005 Missouri State Cup championship, defeating perenial national powers from St. Louis, was the first non St. Louis youth club state champion in 70 years of competition in the state with the most youth national championships in the United States longest running youth competition. The year before, 2004, the U17 and U18 Missouri state cup champions went on to win their age group's respective national championships. Soccer players and teams from St. Louis have had a major influence on the United States soccer culture. The 1904 Olympics in St. Louis hosted the first Olympic Soccer matches. The 1950 World Cup team that beat England 1-0 was dominated by St. Louis players. St. Louis University has won the most NCAA Division I men's soccer championships. The top college soccer player in the United States earns the Hermann Trophy. The Hermann Trophy is named after St. Louis native Robert Hermann. The KC Pace team and it's players showed that high level soccer was not only being developed from outside St. Louis but that the highest level of soccer in the state of Missouri was coming from outside of St. Louis. Like all teams and players that are the first to attain certain achievement, their past and present is documented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpace (talk • contribs) — Kcpace (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * You have not addressed the concern that the sources you have provided are not reliable for the most part and do not really mention the organization that is the subject of the article. That is why it has been nominated for deletion. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The Pace is a legit and historical team. The progress of former Pace players and the subject KC Pace define each other. Editors will not have problems finding reliable sources on the www. College soccer player profiles and PDL player profiles would mention KC Pace affiliation. Articles may not have direct reference but have understood reference. Understanding the KC Pace 2005 accomplishment lives with the continued soccer involvement and story of former KC Pace players post 2005.Ksoccerc (talk) 07:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC) — Ksoccerc (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Above user's first ever edit -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Non-notable. The intro also calls it a youth organization which, in my eyes, seems to make it even less notable. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 13:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Delete unless reliable non-local sources that have non-trivial covourage are found. Every tiny sports team has coverage from local news, for an encylopedia more is needed. If they represent an historic milestone, there is no excuse for not having better sources. It also looks like a coatrack used to mention as many players as possible, who would otherwise certainly never merit an articleYobmod (talk) 10:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Mild Keep - While I agree with the Notability comments, the KC Pace Club has Notability in the Local area. Local or Regional Notability seems a reason for inclusion. --SunTzuGuy (talk) 21:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think the guidelines actualy say the opposite: Local notability only is insufficient.Yobmod (talk) 10:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * But it looks so Impressive if you add Lots Of Unnecessary Capital Letters. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete looks to be non-notable. GiantSnowman 11:10, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Ban  Ray  09:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


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