Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KMAQ-FM


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. (non-admin closure) — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 09:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

KMAQ-FM

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Not notable. Radio stations need to meet the standards of WP:NCORP. I found one source that appears good here, but nothing else. Both WP:GNG and WP:NCORP require coverage from multiple sources, and that just isn't fulfilled here.

Additionally nominated per WP:BUNDLE: KMAQ (AM). Actualcpscmscrutinize, talk 13:11, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Radio and Iowa.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep both Both stations easily meet WP:NBROADCAST and not only did you not seek out any new sources outside one as required by WP:BEFORE, you didn't bring up any article concerns to anyone or use any talk pages, just straight to AfD.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 15:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As an essay, NBROADCAST doesn‘t have the level of consensus behind it to establish notability on its own. Even if it did, this is what it says: A licensed broadcast radio station must meet the general notability guideline. In other words, what do you mean by „meets NBROADCAST“?
 * The fact that I mentioned a currently-unused source in the nomination quite clearly shows that I did in fact carry out a WP:BEFORE search; if I missed any relevant sources, please do link to them here for others to take a look. It‘s a bit weird to me that you accuse me of being sloppy with the BEFORE search in direct contradiction with the nomination statement.
 * I‘m not aware of any requirement to „use talk pages“ before opening an AfD. If you have a specific procedural concern, what is it? Actualcpscmscrutinize, talk 16:17, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per MrSchimpf as well as past precedent for U.S. radio stations. JPG-GR (talk) 16:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For my understanding, where is this precedent documented? Actualcpscmscrutinize, talk 17:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per MrSchimpf & JPG-GR. Stereorock (talk) 16:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added several substantial news clippings (which also should be ported to the AM article). KMAQ-AM-FM got a few long profiles in the Quad Cities newspapers. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 21:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The best opinion I can offer with regard to the nomination itself is a weak keep per Sammi Brie, but I mainly wanted to point out two things: first, that these articles were split (itself contentiously; the split was reverted, and the reversion itself reverted) from a combined KMAQ article (that is now a disambiguation page), which is how they got onto the new page patrol's radar and subsequently landed here; and second, that arguments based solely on NBROADCAST and BCASTOUTCOMES (which I think is the "past precedent" that JPG-GR was referring to) apparently are continuing to rely on pre-July 2021 versions (and again, NMEDIA in general is an essay) that over-presumed notability for licensed broadcast stations. A 2021 RfC established that this over-presumption was and is incorrect and GNG must be met — and the nominator does make a valid point that, in reality, it may actually be NCORP that applies (the only real difference is NCORP has a higher bar for sourcing quality; I'll also note that even the old NMEDIA, in presuming non-notability for unlicensed stations, actually deferred to NCORP and not GNG for those). I do still think that broadcast stations are generally notable more often than not, but I did feel the need to provide context as to why arguments that would probably be deemed "non-policy-based" today are still being made.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  01:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Wcquidditch, thanks for your input! This helps me a lot, especially since those discussions were before my active time on en-wiki. I do feel that all you said basically supports the nomination statement; the community rejected inherent notability for radio stations, which means the relevant guidelines are GNG and maybe NCORP. If GNG isn‘t met, what‘s the basis for a Keep !vote? NEXIST maybe? Actualcpscmscrutinize, talk 07:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


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