Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KNOB (defunct)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No consensus to delete. The issue of merging can continue on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

KNOB (defunct)

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Not very notable  [mad pierrot] [t   c]  21:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

KNOB (defunct) has a link to it from every Wiki page of every Los Angeles radio station at the bottom. My historically minded associates and I think we should flesh out the otherwise dead ended links with information about the stations we have worked at and have inside knowledge of. For example, I was Chief Engineer at KNOB for four years.

I assume the Conflict of Interest comment had to do with the link to my personal website page about KNOB (FM), so I have removed that. As to relevance, I would think any 79,000 watt radio station in Los Angeles would be sufficiently significant to merit an article. Paul Sakrison —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phsakrison (talk • contribs) 21:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Licensed broadcast radio stations, including defunct ones, are considered to be notable. Plus, according to this Los Angeles Times link, it was the world's first all-jazz radio station, which is pretty notable. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 22:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 02:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 02:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to KLAX-FM. KLAX is a direct descendant of KNOB and if the 2 articles were merged together neither would be incredibly long. User:MrRadioGuy What's that?/What I Do/Feed My Box 03:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect' per MrRadioGuy provided verifiable sources are aviailble showing the evolution of KNOB to KLAX.--RadioFan (talk) 03:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as article meets notability threshold with multiple reliable third-party sources. Licensed radio stations are generally notable and notability is not temporary.  That said, this information would be better serve readers as part of the History section of the KLAX-FM article so a merge and redirect at some point after this article is kept is an excellent idea. - Dravecky (talk) 08:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per Dravecky. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 09:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, followed by merge and redirect. Can't say any more or say it any better than Dravecky did. Mlaffs (talk) 01:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. After reading the arguments and considering the matter further, I believe that the station does meet the criteria for inclusion (I know of multiple local radio stations that have their own articles).  The merge and redirect sounds like a good idea to me.  [mad pierrot]  [t   c]  02:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * KeepKNOB was "the most celebrated all-jazz station on the West Coast and the nation's first exclusive jazz programming outlet" per Billboard Jun 18, 1966, page 22, "Jazz Beat.". Per Articles for deletion/Common outcomes, licensed full power broadcast stations which originate a portion of their programming have been found to be notable in previous AFDs. No merger is appropriate in this case. Edison (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as a separate article, don't merge. KNOB is independently notable as the "world's first all-jazz radio station" with a history as a family-owned station spanning 3 decades, and was recognized by national media (e.g. Billboard) as a pioneering station. KLAX-FM is not really a "descendent" of this station; Spanish Broadcasting System, Inc. bought the license(Los Angeles Times), and changed the format to Spanish and the call letters to KSKQ-FM, making it a sister station to Spanish language KSKQ AM 1540. If anything, the present KLAX-FM is really a descendent of KSKQ (AM&FM), not KNOB. It may have gotten the license and transmitter from KNOB, but shares little else with this historic station. DHowell (talk) 03:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.