Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KSW XIX


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete and redirect to 2012 in mixed martial arts events. There is consensus to delete, but clearly it is a valid redirect. ‑Scottywong | gab _ 18:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

KSW XIX

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Previously deleted via Prod for the reason "sourced only to own site, no indication that this will or does meet WP:EVENT"; I was asked to rstore it, with the explanation "As you can see from here, for example, it is now being covered in reliable independent sources due to being headlined by two highly notable fighters: Bob Sapp and Mariusz Pudzianowski.". As I do not trust myself to judge notability in this field, I send it here for a community decision    DGG ( talk ) 19:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  Mt  king  (edits)  20:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Another in a long line of MMA events witch fail our various inclusion criteria and policies (WP:NOTNEWSPAPER WP:MMAEVENT, WP:EVENT and WP:SPORTSEVENT), with the event not due for another two months, the coverage is totally routine in nature (consisting of the event announcement, who is going to take part) the article does not attempt to demonstrate what this event's lasting effect is going to be. Mt  king  (edits)  20:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect to 2012 in mixed martial arts events where XIX is already mentioned (thought expansion may be needed). This future event is unlikely to pass WP:MMAEVENT and may not even pass WP:GNG.  --TreyGeek (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete There's no indication that this event passes WP:EVENT and the coverage currently is WP:ROUTINE and probably always will be. Papaursa (talk) 01:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per nom. Yes, per the nominator, who says, "As you can see from here, for example, it is now being covered in reliable independent sources due to being headlined by two highly notable fighters: Bob Sapp and Mariusz Pudzianowski."  Thus, the article unequivocally passes WP:EVENT and is consistent with what Wikipedia is despite the vocal minority who just WP:IDONTLIKEIT with MMA articles.  Plus, as TreyGeek points out at worst there is a redirect location, but there is clearly no desperate need to rid the world of this information in a few days time.  --Pro Elite Fan Man (talk) 04:05, 4 April 2012 (UTC) — Pro Elite Fan Man (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.   Note: Blocked Sock.
 * Comment Would you support a re-direct to 2012 in mixed martial arts events until such time as it can be definitely shown that KSW 19 will be truly notable and will have lasting effects within the MMA industry? --TreyGeek (talk) 14:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The article "unequivocally passes WP:EVENT"? Then please show how this event had "a noted and sourced permanent effect", "historical significance", and "a demonstrable long-term impact on a significant region of the world" as mentioned in that guideline. Papaursa (talk) 01:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't delete it, bro! I read about this one over on the forums, where everyone's collectiev reaction was this towards those saying to delete something that has had a note and sourced permanent effect (the article is cited in multiple reliable sources), historical significance (participation by the greatest strongman of all time against another fighter of note), and a demonstrablelong-term impact on a significant region of the world (this event is of true importance for Poles, so unless you are racist against Polish people, they could as significant!).  --172.130.242.182 (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC)  Note: Blocked sock, Now Range Blocked.
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