Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KTRN


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 01:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

KTRN

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Article lacks sources; no assertion of notability for radio show; Kevin Trudeau article does not include mention of this radio show, thereby questioning verifiability A More Perfect Onion (talk) 20:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Side note: Article creator keeps re-adding a list of notable guests on the show, without sources. A WP:INDISCRIMINATE issue exists with this. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 20:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: In fact, the Kevin Trudeau article does have an unreferenced mention of the radio show ("Trudeau launched a self-titled Internet radio talk show www.ktradionetwork.com in February 2009. It also airs on several small radio stations consisting of mostly brokered programming.") for what that's worth. - Dravecky (talk) 01:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that! (self-wrasse) --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 14:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:V, WP:N. Feel free to replace with an article about the radio station which actually owns this call sign. Pburka (talk) 21:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ktrn 104.5 Fm Radio. 2215 E Harding Ave Pine Bluff, AR 71601 Edward Vielmetti (talk) 22:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 23:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as article fails to meet the verifiability or notability thresholds. If this article is kept, it should be moved to the expanded name of the program to make way for the Arkansas radio station that is licensed as KTRN. If this wasn't at AfD, I'd have moved it and replaced it already. - Dravecky (talk) 01:19, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this radio show. Joe Chill (talk) 01:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete G4, rewrite about actual radio station Ahh, nice try to the article creator who has tried to get around the successful AfD about the Kevin Trudeau Show three months ago with an article retitling and the same issues as the previously AfD'ed article. Seems like they tried to get back here with a radio show name change, but the fact that it's brokered programming on a few radio stations and the claims of guests are completely unsourced, plus the recreation of deleted content should seal this one.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: I've prepped the radio station article as KTRN (FM) which should be moved to the KTRN name as soon as this deletion discussion has reached a conclusion. - Dravecky (talk) 04:15, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Endorse move of KTRN (FM) -> KTRN after this AFD resolves. If this AFD resolves to keep, I recommend renaming the current KTRN article.  (But at the rate the discussion is going, the odds are against that.) --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 14:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the poor wiki etiquette here, but it's the first time I've felt the need to post something. I've listened to Trudeau at home in MN on KLFD, and even at my parents house over the holidays in Syracuse on WGVA I believe. I used to work in radio and don't believe these stations are brokered programming. I'm not a #1 Trudeau fan by any means, but I've listened enough on actual radio stations and from what I hear he's on more than just these two. I would put this post under "The Kevin Trudeau Show" and not KTRN as KTRN is not the call letters obviously. Here is a reference for the programming on WGVA: http://fingerlakesdailynews.com/schedules/view/3/

Here is a reference to the guests. I listened to Jesse Ventura on Trudeau's show talking about his new Conspiracy TV show. I even found the interview link: http://www.ktradionetwork.com/category/guests/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monkey in MN (talk • contribs) 06:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)  — Monkey in MN (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment I'm getting the feeling there is a big sockfarm going on here between, and Monkey in MN above. There has been no other edits for them besides Trudeau-related articles, and Jango1077 responded to my template warning and reverted edits earlier in December by calling us "Wikipedia Nazis". Then suddenly MBirdsell pops up after that and creates KTRN after Jango's bridge-burning insults. They seem related to me.


 * As for Monkey in MN's point that Jessie Ventura was on Trudeau's show pitching his new series? He did that on every media venue he could get on last month or this month. There's nothing special about that at all. And I think KLFD was made up; the station's broadcast schedule shows your average rural station's lineup and no mention of Trudeau, while WGVA has him stuck in the Sunday afternoon dead zone where NFL football and Sunday baseball pretty much make putting anything on, even brokered programming a relief to their bottom line as the other stations cream them in the revenue department (It's also completely likely football is on during that slot and they just need something to fill it during bye weeks). It's not on the air because it's good; it's on the air because Kevin Trudeau pays them money and they put in a slot where nobody will listen.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 08:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: While KLFD may be was a redlink at the moment (and I'm off to fix that next), it's a real radio station, licensed to broadcast at 1410 kHz, serving Litchfield, Minnesota, with 500 watts of AM power during the day and 45 watts at night. Not exactly WCCO but it does exist. - Dravecky (talk) 09:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Follow-up: Oh my, KLFD is that most endangered of species: a family-owned and operated single radio station providing intensely-local full service programming to its community of license. But, no, after a thorough scouring of their website I know they air Cheese Ball Corner (for dairy farmers) and Chamber Chat with Dee Schutte but there's no mention of Trudeau or his show. - Dravecky (talk) 10:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I wasn't saying KLFD was a false station (as I linked to the station's schedule), but that the claim of Monkey in MN that the show was airing there was false. I should double-check my edits for clarity sometimes when I'm stuck in bed dealing with being sick :-/.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 10:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I didn't make up KLFD, it's 1410 on my radio and yes I've heard Kevin on there. Before you denounce it as a brokered station, why don't you give them a call and find out your facts before you post it.  I used to work there when I was in school. User: Monkey_in_MN   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monkey in MN (talk • contribs) 16:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * That's as may be, but the program lineup provided by the station, on their website, disagrees - and, per policy, we go with the authoritative source, which is the station itself. It's possible that they broadcast the program in the past, but they do not appear to be doing so now, nor are there sources that document any past broadcast. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 19:27, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * References Now that I'm curious, I decided to do more research and have some websites to back up the show's existence online. List of all stations the show is on: http://www.ktradionetwork.com/2009/11/16/kevins-radio-network/ Show listing on KRXA 1-4 on Sundays: http://www.krxa540.com/weekend-schedule Show listing on KFNX 9-12 on Satudays: http://www.1100kfnx.com/index.php?/program_lineup/ Monkey_in_MN Said~ Did 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per Dravecky. The G4 case here is iffy, as the final version of The Kevin Trudeau Show is more promotional than this article. That said, I don't doubt that the program exists and is broadcast in various places, but I'm not coming up with enough reliable sources to document that. Having notable guests does not itself make the show notable, so that's out. The broadcast might be merged over to Kevin Trudeau, but I note that it's there already as a 1 line reference. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 19:27, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per failing WP:V and WP:N. ArcAngel (talk) (review) 01:02, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.