Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K Money


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is that there is no significant coverage in reliable sources that move the topic past BLP1E. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:52, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

K Money

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:PERP. No awards or charted songs. The sources cited are record lists, or local rap publications which make trivial mention of him. I was unable to locate any biographical information in reliable secondary sources, and newspaper reports of his alleged criminal behavior do not support notability as either a musician or a perpetrator. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: He has been featured on a charted compilation album (in which he had more appearances than any other artist). Meets WP:BASIC, WP:CRIMINAL and WP:BLPCRIME. The person in question is notable in a national scale, if not international. References included in the article are from notable sources including Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Toronto Star, The Mississauga News and HotNewHipHop. The person in subject is known in connection with a criminal event in June 2018. TwinTurbo (talk) 02:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - K Money's criminal co-accomplice was "Casper TNG" (see Articles for deletion/Casper TNG). Magnolia677 (talk) 22:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - He was involved in more criminal activity as opposed to just the one with Casper TNG, listed on his page. TwinTurbo (talk) 20:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buidhe 02:32, 27 February 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Having one or more tracks on a compilation album is not a notability claim that passes WP:NMUSIC in and of itself; the sourcing being used to support his music career is for shit (absolutely none of Spotify, YouTube, HipHopCanada, torontorappers.com, DatPiff or kanyetothe.com are reliable or notability-making sources at all); and the only thing here that is a reliable source (the Toronto Star) just makes him a WP:BLP1E. A person is not automatically notable as a criminal just because you can show two hits of coverage in his own hometown local media — making him permanently notable for that would require a reason why the crime was important enough to pass the ten-year test for enduring significance. But there's no evidence of that being shown at all, and there's no compelling evidence that he would pass NMUSIC either. Bearcat (talk) 04:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   14:48, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. The person in question is a subject of two crime events not just one. And are the sources by Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and The Mississauga News also not reliable? TwinTurbo (talk) 20:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Firstly, two crimes is no more "inherently" notable than one crime. To make a person notable enough as a criminal to have a Wikipedia article because crime, what you have to show is that the crime was widely publicized enough to pass the ten year test for enduring significance: namely, the crime was so highly significant that it's reasonable to expect that people will still be looking for information about it in 2030.
 * Secondly, this article as written cites no sources published by either the CBC or The Mississauga News at all — the only thing you've done is say such coverage exists in this discussion without actually showing any examples of what you mean. And even if such sources do exist, The Mississauga News is a minor community hyperlocal that would not clinch passage of GNG all by itself — it would be fine for sourcing stray facts in an article about a person who had already cleared GNG on stronger sources, but would not get him over GNG all by itself if it was the best sourcing he had. And even for the CBC, it's not automatically notability-clinching "nationalized" coverage just because it has CBC in the url — there's still a big difference between the CBC's national news division (which counts for more) and its local news bureaux in individual cities (which count for much less) when it comes to establishing whether a person is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia or not.
 * GNG is not just "anybody who's gotten their name into any media outlet two or more times is automatically guaranteed a Wikipedia article just because he has media coverage, regardless of whether he actually has a real notability claim or not": we don't only consider the raw number of media hits that a person can show, we also consider the geographic range of how widely he is or isn't getting covered, and the context of what he's getting covered for, so not all "coverage" that exists is equally notability-making. Establishing his notability as a musician would require him to have accomplished something nationally notable as a musician, establishing his notability as a criminal would require his crimes to be of much more nationalized significance, and even just getting him over GNG would require a lot more than just a small handful of local coverage within the Toronto media market alone. If his crimes were getting covered in Vancouver or the United States, then he'd be notable as a criminal. If he had a national charting hit, then he'd be notable as a musician. But if all he can show is a few local interest hits in Toronto's local media about minor crimes of no discernible long term significance, then that's not enough: having a few hits of purely local coverage in a not inherently notable context is not an instant GNG pass in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 02:56, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


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