Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kadochnikov's Systema


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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 15:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Kadochnikov's Systema

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Unreferenced article about a Russian system of martial art. Seems to be a minor variation of sambo (martial art). Pburka (talk) 00:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete, looks like self-promotion, no independent sources proving notability.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:24, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * CommentNot an expert in all the ins and outs of Systema but Kadochnikov seems to be one of the original forms. The article on Retuinskih's System ROSS talks about the relationship.  I think the connection to Sambo of these arts is stronger than the supposed connections with special forces training and ancient Russian martial arts but if ROSS is notable then I would say the parent organization should be too.Peter Rehse (talk) 04:20, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That article's pretty borderline, too. I looked through the Retuinskih's System ROSS sources (which might just qualify as reliable) and found no references to Kadochnikov. Other than the Wikipedia article, we have no evidence that there's even a relationship between the two systems. Pburka (talk) 11:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Pretty much why I am sitting on the fence for this one.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:07, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I didn't find reliable sources to support any claims that this system is notable. I also have my doubts about ROSS, but that one isn't yet up for AFD. Jakejr (talk) 15:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
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