Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kai Wong (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 13:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Kai Wong
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Article previously deleted, possibly a G4 Speedy but I am not able to gauge whether this content is sufficiently similar to the previous version. Notability is not established in verifiable, reliable sources, the page was brought to RfC which brought it to my attention. While print sources are claimed, I am not able to establish the veracity of those claims. I requested further sources and clarified my stance on the talk page but none were delivered and no rebuttal took place. Usrnme h8er (talk) 12:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I checked some previous versions and it doesn't seem G4 applies. _ Mgm|(talk) 13:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a fan page or autobiographical piece at best. Looking at the references, nothing there establishes notability at all. The Ellen DeGeneres ref is especially rich. This is a guy with bit parts in unremarkable movies, fails WP:ENTERTAINER completely. §FreeRangeFrog 18:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep. This article pre-dates the creation date of a few account holders who have vandalized it under racist agendas which violates the terms of use in Wikipedia. Kai Wong is not only a actor but also a producer and the credits are documented in IMDB and the New York Times. Notability established. Keep and remove from deletion list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.167.246 (talk • contribs)


 * What credits are documented in IMDb? "Uncredited" means NO credits. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Article to be improved to previous version before random edits and fan edits and trivia which rendered it unverifiable and juvenile (possibly female fans). However, notability as actor and producer in both the United States is established, and especially to the late producer Ismail Merchant, contribution to Asian American arts and the art house cinema. Improve links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DuncanWeir (talk • contribs)


 * Care to post a link establishing "notability as producer"? There is not a single reference in IMDb. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 18:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * G4 deletion in error. Previous editors were newbies who did not read or understand Wikipedia's definition of "notability". As a result, sex and porn references such as "pearl necklace" have increased due to vandals' mischief, and other notable articles like this one vandalized. Article is "worthy of notice" in the person's role in Asian American and contemporary American cinema.
 * Subjective concepts depending on the race, nationality, religion and personal quirks or prejudices of the editor is irrelevant, otherwise topics like "Islam" or "Zen Buddhism" could be erroneously deleted. Although influential, the concept of "popularity" and "celebrity" is more tenuous and is secondary.
 * Some may prefer Brad Pitt; others may root for Władysław Szpilman. Both factions will deem the biographies "obscure". Wikipedia is not an internet venue for personal prejudices or internet warfare on concepts of "popularity", please keep opinions to yourself. This article has been around for five years, since 2004. Notability well established. Speedy keep. See Notability.


 * The current article was created in April 2007. Five years? -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 00:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * "Within Wikipedia, notability is an inclusion criterion based on the encyclopedic suitability of an article topic. The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"; that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded."[1] Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular"—although not irrelevant—is secondary." —Preceding unsigned comment added by DuncanWeir (talk • contribs) 02:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Notability established. Stop vandalism and edit warfare by white supremacist groups on this page. Collaborate to source more material or to edit article such as birthdate, etc. Also please mark for editors on the Japanese and Chinese sections of wikipedia. Thanks. DuncanWeir (talk) 16:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete The print references don't seem to exist, the IMDb references are mostly "uncredited" anyway - would it be unworthy of me to think that the data might have been contributed to IMDb by User:DuncanWeir or User:86.168.167.246? -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 00:41, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


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