Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalki Bhagavan (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. J04n(talk page) 00:58, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Kalki Bhagavan
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Procedural nomination more than anything; this was originally deleted by AfD, I recently deleted as a G4, and I have been asked to restore it and bring it back to AfD, which I am doing. I have no real opinion on notability, though from what I can see I would argue this individual is perhaps non-notable. GiantSnowman 16:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Suggest deleting the article. A lack of reliable sources has plagued it for a long time. The individual and his organisation have attracted some press in India and overseas, but it is largely puffery. MatthewTStone (talk) 21:10, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * @Mathew, You have a negative bias in this matter. On 20th January, you vandalized this article, by including a vulgar and obscene word in Hindi language "Lauda Kameena" as name for this individual. You have systematically not allowed any new edits on this article that do not fit to your negative agenda.Prodigyhk (talk) 02:45, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It was not me. I suggest you check the edit history. I reverted a previous edit, without being aware that the Hindi term used was vulgar. i.e. It had been inserted by another editor. I will comment, however, that it is not really surprising that the page is being vandalised. As you would/should be aware, there are some serious questions about the conduct of 'Kalki Bhagavan', his son, and the fabulous wealth being generated by his organisation. Reputable news organisations have drawn attention to some of the issues. MatthewTStone (talk) 06:42, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Mathew, We do remember that the vandalism was started by an unregistered user. It was immediately rectified by an WP:admin. But, the vandal continued to reinsert. Then, few other admins and user had got involved to undelete this on regular basis. Then, you started to reinsert the vulgar work by undo clean up that the rest of us were doing. It is not right to now claim that you made this error due to your lack of knowledge of Hindi. Clearly it indicates your deep negative basis on this article. Even the various notes you include on the talk indicate your negative bias. As per WP rules, these personal opinions should be removed from the talk pages.
 * Moving forward, request not keep removing edits from other editors including myself. If you have any issues specific about any editors work, do first highlight it on talk page for discussion.
 * Now, It seems the two of us are are the only people who have been regular on this article. I do appreciate havning another person to check my edits. I am willing to continue work with you, if you let me do work without deleting as soon as it is posted :) Prodigyhk (talk) 00:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I reverted only one edit that led to the vulgar term re-appearing. This is an English publication and knowledge of Hindi cannot be assumed. It is beyond debate that the individual and his organisation have attracted considerable negative press. But the article in its current form is using mainly fairly low grade references written by apparent supporters of the organisation. Previous versions of the article e.g. contained a number of links to press coverage of the organisation which were not entirely complimentary. Biased editors have deleted these from the article over time. The article should contain a balance of positive and negative, backed up by sources...not just PR puff pieces written by authors no-one has ever heard of. I would also remind you that any WP editor involved with VK/KB's organisation would have a conflict of interest. MatthewTStone (talk) 02:02, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Mathew, Since, you "claim" lack of knowledge in Hindi, you should have the basic sense NOT reverted edits that were done by admin and other user clearly marked as vandalism. It is clear, you have a deeper personal agenda here to attack this person and not allow other editor to do any work on this article, that does not fit your personal opinion. Very clearly you have a conflict of interest in this matter with your personal negative opinion, that you keep repeating in talks.  Prodigyhk (talk) 13:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Despite VK/KB's 'millions of followers', a remarkably small number of people have ever bothered to edit this page. The biographical material recently added to the Talk Page just seems to be unverifiable spin, including nonsense about 'golden balls', recycled from his organisation's myth-making PR machinery. Not up to WP standards. It's time this page was deleted. MatthewTStone (talk) 22:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Mathew
 * 1. The biographical material I have added in the talk page for comment, includes reference to book written by a known author. The author of the book is notable and does have page on WP.
 * 2. The incident of "golden ball" refer from articles in books and meet WP standard.  There is no WP policy that restricts articles refering  "golden balls" or Flying_Spaghetti_Monster :) So, quit making irrelevant arguments, just to protect your personal negative opinions.
 * 3. Checked your contributions over the last 4 years on this article. You have consistently removed any new edits that does not match your negative opinions. You are the primary problem for this article not developed. You have been very disruptive and stopped other editors by removing any edits that do not meet your personal agenda.
 * 4. Also, over the last 4 years, you have consistently included personal attacks and negative comments about this person in talks and comments. This needs to stop. Do read WP:policy Defamatory WP:YESPOV
 * Prodigyhk (talk) 03:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Prodigyhk (talk) 03:35, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * @Admin:Gaintsnowman, Request keep the article. This person is a well known spiritual teacher with millions of students across the world.This individual and his organization is detailed in the following books :
 * Over the next few days, will update the article with more content. Request, my friend Mathew not to keep deleting my edits :)
 * Also, in the next few days, shall include more comments in this forum for further discussion with all of you. Just that I need to get back to my work right now :) Prodigyhk (talk) 02:45, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - either Google Books has rained down sources since the previous AfD, or not a single one of previous AfD participants bothered to check. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:15, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Whether you like him or not, he received enough media coverage for him to be considered notable. Salih  ( talk ) 05:55, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed, media coverage is absolutely central to his notability. MatthewTStone (talk) 07:04, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.