Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalpataru Diwas


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The result was   redirect to Kalpataru Day. Davewild (talk) 13:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Kalpataru Diwas

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Declined CSD as not obviously promotional, PROD removed by author. Poorly written/translated piece, seems to refer to a religious celebration but no significant Ghits confirm its notability. Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk)  12:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable and non-neutral. andy (talk) 13:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve poorly written article through normal editing. The article states that this religious event was described in The Life of Ramakrishna by Romain Rolland.  Rolland won the Nobel Prize for literature in 1915 and the Wikipedia article about him lists the book in question.  There are other sources, so I conclude that the event is notable. Cullen328 (talk) 16:17, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Ramakrishna was a giant in 19th century Hindu philosophy, and his life is documented in many notable books by both westerners and Indians. His followers helped spread Vedanta worldwide.  It should be possible to find sources, perhaps under a different spelling. Cullen328 (talk) 16:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment "Kalpataru" is the important word here. A Google Books search with terms Kalpataru Ramakrishna yields many references describing this religious festival in India. "Diwas" just means "day" in Hindi (or Benglai), I gather.  If kept, the article should be called "Kalpataru Day". Cullen328 (talk) 18:03, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Cullen328 (talk) 16:52, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the article may claim notability but a quick search on google for "Kalpataru Diwas" -wiki gives only 9 hits, which kinda makes you think, doesn't it? In fact the article is mainly about Ramakrishna and the article on him does not mention Kalpataru Diwas even once. andy (talk) 02:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It does make me think, Andyjsmith, and what I think is that you are using the wrong keywords in your search. Please take a moment and use the Google Books tool at the top of this page.  Change "Diwas" to "Day".  English language sources call this event "Kalpaturu Day".  The author of this article clearly is not a native English speaker, and transliterated the Hindi (or Bengali) term "Diwas" which I believe would be applied to any festive day, such as what we call "Independence Day" in the USA or "New Year's Day".  Searching with the term used in most of the English language sources shows that this is a notable festival among members of the Hindu Vedanta movement inspired by Ramakrishna. As for the article on Ramakrishna not mentioning the festival, it commemorates an event that took place just a few months before he died, and the festival became notable only after his death. That's what I think, based on what I've learned today by using Google selectively. Cullen328 (talk) 02:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * A solid reference Please read page 260 - 261 of Kālī's child - the mystical and the erotic in the life and teachings of Ramakrishna by Jeffrey John Kripal, University of Chicago Press, readily available on Google Books, which describes the profound significance of the original Kalpaturu Day, January 1, 1886 in the life of Ramakrishna, as well as the horror of his final months that followed, as he died of cancer. Cullen328 (talk) 02:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Events were described in Ramakrishna article That article says: "According to traditional accounts, before his death, Ramakrishna transferred his spiritual powers to Vivekananda and reassured Vivekananda of his avataric status. Ramakrishna asked Vivekananda to look after the welfare of the disciples, saying, 'keep my boys together' and asked him to 'teach them'." Although this section of the article does not use the term "Kalpataru", it is clearly describing the events that inspired this festival.  One of the three sources for these sentences is - surprise - Nobel Prize winning author Romain Rolland. Cullen328 (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:26, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * New Article I have written an article called Kalpataru Day, which I believe to be more neutral and better referenced. If other editors agree, I would suggest a redirect from Kalpataru Diwas to Kalpataru Day. Cullen328 (talk) 02:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Entirely agree with Redirect - thanks so much for doing that, it was quickly clear the topic was indeed notable but well beyond my area of expertise to rescue the original article. Will withdraw my nomination and close this AfD later after work (unless someone beats me to it!)  Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  07:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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