Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kameelion (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. and SALT. Holy god. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:23, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Kameelion
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Very unclear where notability lies. This appears to rely on WP:BAND which also requires that WP:CHART is satisfied. The only valid mention is an assertion about a chart position of 67 in the Belgium charts. There is no ref that substantiates that and WP:BEFORE does not reveal any such evidence. All the rest are trivial, social media mentions and passing mentions and associations with better know bands and people. Even the local north Wales sources are very weak. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk 13:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Velella  Velella Talk  13:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Velella  Velella Talk  13:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions.  Velella  Velella Talk  13:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - See the discussions at the earlier AfDs. Under his stage name he was already deleted (at least) twice, he was deleted once under a misspelled version of his birth name, and he was speedy deleted at least 6 times under various other versions of his birth name. Those were all more than ten years ago, and he apparently has a few more achievements since then, but I suspect a dogged effort to use Wikipedia for promotional purposes no matter how many decades go by. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 16:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt all imaginable variations of his name. Per my comment above, there are a whole bunch of previous AfDs for this person in which the logic advanced by all "delete" voters still stands. Mr. Kameelion knows how to promote himself on social media but everything to be found is about his own quest for celebrity rather than his few actual achievements. This article is ref-bombed with tangential and indirect social media references to other people and things. For example, Mr. Kameelion once got some social media clicks by saying he was sad about the band Viola Beach (deadly car accident), and that is stated here as some sort of achievement with a source about Viola Beach and not himself. Everything else follows the same pattern. Also, most of this article was written by Ashcroft18 who has done almost nothing else in Wikipedia. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 16:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt per Doomsdayer520. If there were a reliable source to prove a song of the subject's charted, maybe this could be kept. What this article has is unproved assertions and even those assertions of notability are at the very bottom end of what we could accept. The fact that this article has been deleted before is proof of a promotional effort, hence the need to salt the title and let the promoters know that the home office in San Francisco has to be bought off to escape AfD. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


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