Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamen Rider Den-O + Shin-O


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The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Kamen Rider Den-O + Shin-O

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Non-notable episode that has not received significant coverage by reliable third-party sources to justify a stand-alone article. Article is nothing more than a plot summary. —Farix (t &#124; c) 01:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep: I'm sorry, what?. It is not just a plot summary it is an 1-hour crossover special including Shin-chan and Den-O. It also features new characters. This special also promotes the I'm Born!. So if you want to delete this, might as well delete amen Rider Shin, ZO, and J. Or even the "Birth of 10th special". So don't decide until now to do this. Xtreme2010 ( ~AlienX2009~ ) 01:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Episode is notable on its own as it is a crossover between two completely unrelated shows (the anime Crayon Shin-chan and the live-action series Kamen Rider Den-O). There was independent coverage by reliable third party sources, but due to the age of the subject the reference to one of these (Sponichi) is down. The episode is covered at the Japanese Wikipedia at ja:仮面ライダー電王+しん王, which shows that it is notable on its own for their much stricter standards. I have found more references to support the notability and will be working to find more.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Since it's a crossover between unrelated franchises, it can't easily be shoehorned into another article, and there are third-party sources as mentioned above. jgp  T  C  01:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Just because it's a crossover doesn't make it notable. Also, just because there is an article on the Japanese Wikipedia doesn't make it notable either. The Japanese Wikipedia has much lower standards of inclusion than the English Wikipedia, as show by the inclusions of thousands of articles on anime, manga, voice actors, and etc., almost all of them without a single source. I'll note that even the Japanese article doesn't have a source. Since there is no subject specific notability guideline for television episodes, we must default to the general notability guideline. Under the general notability guideline, a subject most received significant coverage by reliable third-party sources. Significant coverage is coverage that goes beyond announcements or a basic plot summary. However, all of the "sources" on the article are just that, announcements with absolutely no depth to the coverage. If we when by that standard, as advocated by the three keep comments above, then every episode would be "notable" as they will always be announced in various TV guides. —Farix (t &#124; c) 10:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Except the two third party sources are not to TV Guides but to a major newspaper in Japan and to an online news aggregator. The fact that this one particular episode was specifically mentioned to exist for the anime should confer that it is notable for inclusion. The Japanese Wikipedia does not use inline sources as we do and most definitely does not have articles on every episode of every anime or television show. They don't have articles for every Seinfeld episode or every Buffy episode. The subject is unique from both Crayon Shin-chan and Kamen Rider Den-O such that it can deserve its own article separate from those two pages. There are six references on the article. Three may be to the official websites that cover the media, but two are to news sources which are not trivial mentions or TV guide listings but actual articles on saying "This cartoon is going to happen", and the third is to show that figures were explicitly commissioned for the characters of this episode. One of the characters of Den-O did not have such a figure made of him until 3 years after the show aired, and he was in more than half of the show's 49 broadcast episodes.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's still nothing more than a program announcement, and announcements don't confer any form of notability. Notability is based on significant coverage, not trivial coverage such as program announcements. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep A notable crossover between two different notable shows. Sounds like a notable episode to me.   D r e a m Focus  04:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Per above, notable crossover episode. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
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