Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamiel Cornelissen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Same case as in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcio Carvalho (Magic: The Gathering player).  Sandstein  19:43, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Kamiel Cornelissen

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No coverage outside primary sources Prisencolin (talk) 23:40, 9 May 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - It's been quite a while since this issue was meaningfully addressed at AfD. With overwhelming agreement across seven deletion discussions (see discussions on Brian Selden, Tommi Hovi, Darwin Kastle, Kai Budde, Mike Long, and Jon Finkel, twice), it's fairly clear that there is a consensus that the top Magic: The Gathering players are notable. On that basis, WP:MTG established some guidelines as to when an MTG player is notable, which Cornelissen meets. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:57, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The WP:MTG guidelines allow for pages that don't otherwise meet GNG requirements. Many of these pro players articles just lack reliable, secondary sources, plain and simple and so shouldn't exist on WP as standalone articles. Note that per WP:LOCALCONCENSUS "... unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right, participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope. " Also note that an WP:ALTERNATIVE, a fan wiki that covers the MTG pro scene, exists. So its not like this information would be lost if not for wikipedia.--Prisencolin (talk) 03:45, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 00:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e talk 01:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I see only around 100 Google hits for  in total.  A few of them look like they might be reliable sources (it's tough to tell even with Google Translate), but they're just trivial mentions, anyway.  There doesn't seem to be significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, and, once again, I'll say that a WikiProject's local consensus can't override Wikipedia's notability guidelines. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You may want to retry that search, because I'm getting about twenty thousand. Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:13, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The initial number that Google reports is meaningless. Once you click through the results a few times by skipping to page 10 or so, you frequently find that there's less than 100 results total. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


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