Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamilia Wawrzynia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Consensus appears to be that there are not enough reliable sources to pass the relevant notability guidelines. NW ( Talk ) 04:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Kamilia Wawrzynia

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Fails WP:ENT, WP:BLP1E. Model trips on runway, gets Wiki article? Coverage amounts to inclusion on various blooper reels hosted on Youtube - although I'm not so sure that really counts as "coverage," especially when much of the time the source doesn't even mention Wawrzynia by name. If it is, it's certainly not significant. The content of the article is an in-depth description of her falling with statements that any real information on Wawrzynia is nonexistent, ending with the rather ludicrous idea that this incident makes her one of the most famous models in the world.  Mbinebri  talk &larr; 03:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Worthless. BLP1E Racepacket (talk) 13:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: The article creator has modified/added to the article that Wawrzynia (Wawrzyniak now?) has appeared on two magazine covers amidst a handful of runway shows sourced to her user-submitted Fashion Model Directory profile, as well as unsourced editorial claims—i.e., nothing to establish her as more than a very minor model still lacking coverage.   Mbinebri   talk &larr; 14:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. No real assertion of notability, and the article itself pretty much acknowledges the subject fails the GNG. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Since I created the article, my vote is obviously keep.

I created it because having watched the video and noting that millions of others had too, I wanted to know who it was that we were all seeing and figured there are people who have probably wanted to know as well. Accurate information about her was initially difficult to find because the name by which she is frequently referred to in relation to the video is incorrect. The incorrect name alone returns thousands of pages at google, and all in relation to the video.

Of course "model trips on runway, gets Wiki article" sounds completely trivial. I would modify that statement thusly: Model falls down, gets covered by international media, years later the incident is still being watched over and over by millions of people and continues to be the subject of numerous YouTube parodies.

YouTube statistics show that the footage of Wawrzyniak is one of the most favorited, rated, viewed and discussed videos of all time in the UK.

There are articles here for videos that have been around longer and yet haven't been seen as much as the footage that Wawrzyniak is in.

Apart from the fact that millions of people are aware of her existence simply due to "the incident", the next best argument that I suppose can be made for her notability is that she has appeared in and on internationally-known publications, and in countries other than just her own, apart from the rest of her resume, and the fact that googling her correct name returns tens of thousands of pages. Either of those two points alone might not be enough but together I'd argue they make a stronger case for keeping the article.Adrigon (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply: You make a lot of arguments, Adrigon, but many of them further demonstrate the subject's lack of notability. For example, you state the video has been watched millions of times as a key to her notability, but establishing the number required your own research, as demonstrated on the talk page.  If Wawrzyniak or the incident was indeed notable via Youtube viewcounts, a proper source with proper coverage would record this fact, while at the same time report facts about the subject that you, within the article, admit have not been reported.  Google search results alone do not establish notability; it's the quality/reliability/coverage of those results that establish notability, and the blogs and forums I see in such a search don't cut it; and if what's out there is all in reference to her falling on the runway (which is by no means uncommon), then that only supports that the article fails the WP:BLP1E policy.  Furthermore, sources either not stating her name or misspelling it demonstrates that little to no fact-checking has been done in relaying the incident, which is a big no-no in WP:RS policies.  Lastly, her career credits are very minor as models go; if this was not the case, popular modeling resources like NYMag.com and Model.com would return results on her, but they don't by either spelling.    Mbinebri   talk &larr; 15:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply:

Her page at one of the agencies which represents her, with the cover she appeared on for Elle in Belgium: http://www.trafficmodels.com/site/main.php?g2_itemId=91196

The agency which represents her in Germany, with the cover for Elle that she did in that country: http://www.modelwerk.de/home/ (Her name has to be looked up there because the site is in Flash and can't be linked to directly.)

Her page at IMG's agency: http://imgmodels.com/details.aspx?navbtn=1&cityID=2&modelid=190682&pic=031.jpg&subid=2605&mainsubid=2605&catID=1&indx=5

Her card at models.com: http://models.com/oftheminute/?p=4627&page=41

Her style.com profile, with pictures of her from some of the shows mentioned in her article: http://www.style.com/peopleparties/modelsearch/person1940

An editorial she appeared in, solo, for Cosmopolitan in Italy: http://modelwerkblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/sparkling-kamila-w.html

A perfume commercial she appeared in, solo: http://blog.model.plus.pleyar.com/?p=729# (She is also in print ads for this product.)

As the face of the Dr. Irena Eris "Skin Mood" line of products ad campaign: http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2459/beztytuu8nw.png http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/4877/beztytuu29zo.png

As the opening model in a fashion show for designer Maciej Zień: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=PL&hl=pl&v=UC1aHA8jZa8

As the opening model in a show for designer Gori de Palma at Barcelona fashion week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XMqPbbmG6w http://forums.thefashionspot.com/showpost.php?p=2995966&postcount=153

Hopefully at least some of these should satisfy Wikipedia's requirement that as a model she has had significant roles in multiple notable "stage performances, or other productions." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrigon (talk • contribs) 05:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * To keep this short: as with the Youtube videos and Google search listings, linking to agency cards, more Youtube videos, forums, and uploading photos to Imageshack only demonstrates that she's a professional model through primary sources. The same can be found for thousands and thousands of models, and while demonstrating that she has been in a couple ads is a step towards being more notable, being forced to use such primary sources in the article as references only shows that significant coverage is not available after your thorough searching.    Mbinebri   talk &larr; 15:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
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