Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kanopa


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Kanopa

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Hoax. Created on 1 April 2014 by an editor who otherwise only vandalized articles. The goddess comes from "Journey of the Lost Princess: Adventure and Romance in the Mysterious Land of the Incas", a self-published fiction book by Roger Huff from 2010. This is the only reference to this God from before 2014 I could find.

This "god" is not included in Daily Life of the Incas, Incan Mythology and Other Myths of the Andes, The Incas: New Perspectives, Handbook of Inca Mythology, ...

It is included in Cultural Foundations and Interventions in Latino/a Mental Health: History, Theory and within Group Differences (strange title, but from Routledge, a respectable publisher), but that book is from 2016, so later than our article.

Surpsirisngly, I could find web references to this God (though not from reliable sources) from before our article and even the book; however, it turns out that this goddess is a much older Wikipedia hoax (perhaps one of the longest surviving hoaxes we ever had): it was added to Inca society in May 2007, during a merger from Women and clothing in Incan Society. The goddess Kanopa had been present in that article from the very start in September 2006, more than 11 years ago...

So, unless I missed something in my search (which of course is quite possible), this is a multi-article hoax stretching back over 11 years which has since made it into fiction and at least one reliable source. Congrats! Fram (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete - The Inca Goddess of Pregnancy (or at least of fertility and child birth) was Pachamama. I don't see any evidence that this article is not a hoax. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Comment "Kanopa" appears to be a variant of "conopa" which is a name for Incan ritual figurines, see, . It is possible that this was not a hoax but a mistake by the author in confusing the name of the figurine with the name of the god. In any event, it does not satisfy WP:V and is a good catch by nominator. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 15:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC) Perhaps, rewriting might be better per below. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Delete (see my comment below). I don't think it's a hoax, but it may be inaccurate. Several sources give the definition of Canopa as "household diety", eg Conquest of the Incas (2004).  If that's not going back far enough for you, then try Peru; Incidents of Travel and Exploration in the Land of the Incas (1877) which predates Wikipedia, the internet, and the birth of any editor here (but not predating hoaxes of course).  Kanopa is clearly a variant spelling of Canopa and this article "Curzo, the ancient capital of the Incas" (1856) says that many Canopas had specific attributes such as Sara-canopa (spirit of the harvest), Chacra-canopa (spirit of the farm), and Llama-canopa (spirit of the flocks).  It seems perfectly feasible to me that some Inca family had a Canopa dedicated to looking after pregnancy, but I have no source for that predating Wikipedia. But even if we have to strike all mention of pregnancy from the article, we are still left with a notable subject at either Kanopa or Canopa. SpinningSpark 15:59, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The Italian wiki version has some additional sources: it:Conopa. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 16:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that find. I don't really agree with your conclusion, the best course is to delete Kanopa and if wanted create an article or redirect for Conopa, but at least it gives some insight in what might have happened (as a rather complicated error, or as an attempt to create a hoax with some resemblance to reality). Fram (talk) 06:34, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment -- Assuming the research of other contributors is correct, the appropriate course is to rename to Canopa or Conopa, but the present placeholder text cannot survive, as it is clearly wrong. We have the choice of the closing admin renaming and substituting an accurate definition, or TNT.  Even the renaming option will not provide a satisfactory article: we will probably have nothing but a dictionary entry (which would be transwikified).
 * Delete. Whether the 2006 introduction of this content, originally by Sallybryant was intentional misinformation or merely a very badly mistaken reading of legitimate content is impossible to determine, but it remains factually incorrect everywhere it appears. Checking for links to the Kanopa article reveals a mention in Inca empire, claiming that pregnant women retained their household duties, with the addition of prayers and offerings to Kanopa. It's even a cited claim; referenced to Time-Life Books' Incas: Lords of Gold and Glory (while not a high-quality source, it's likely a reliable one). The only problem? That source doesn't support the claim. Or, rather, it supports all of the cited text except the part about prayers and offerings to Kanopa, a "deity" not mentioned at all in the work (nor anything vaguely similar on page 129, where pregnancy is discussed!). I agree that the ritual figurines, which sometimes were used to represent household or family gods, represent a notable topic for which we have no article. But whether they are called conopa (the most common spelling), canopa (less so), konopa (in one 1935 French journal article), or kanopa (perhaps exclusively by the 1901 Spanish-language El Oculto Entre los Aborígenes de la América del Sud: Los Quichuas Raza Ariana), they in no way represent or resemble the "Kanopa" deity as it has been introduced to Wikipedia, which means the existing text must not be retained. Regardless of whether this was intended as a hoax, we should treat it as one. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:37, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've got a copy of Incas: Lords of Gold and Glory right here, and can confirm that there's nothing about "Kanopa" or "Canopa" I can find in it. --Calton | Talk 05:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as a probable hoax - even if Kanopa/Conopa is a verifiable entity, WP:TNT applies. ƒirefly  ( t · c · who? ) 18:54, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax, sooner rather than later. --Calton | Talk 05:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, and trout this source for copying this. Note much for this in a check on older books.Icewhiz (talk) 11:58, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. user:Sallybryant is being unfairly blamed here. Her original article, Women and clothing in Incan Society says "When she did find out she was pregnant she prayed and made offerings to an Incan god, kanopa" and that is still the wording in Inca society.  That is perfectly consistent with praying to a household god.  Nowhere is it claimed that Kanopa is the god of pregnancy.  That is entirely an artifact of the article up for AfD, created much more recently (2014).  The creator of this article is user:Xertinia777 and all her other edits have been unremittingly vandalism, or at least hopelessly useless to an encyclopaedia.  So much so, that I am persuaded to withdraw AGF and change my recommendation to delete. SpinningSpark 12:42, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


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