Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kanye West's 5th Studio Album


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete, per WP:CRYSTAL, little significant reliable information on the album. Jayjg (talk) 01:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Kanye West's 5th Studio Album
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The prod was contested. Fails WP:CRYSTAL. Joe Chill (talk) 21:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this album has not been officially announced by Kanye's record company and some information that can be presented will be classified as speculation. But much of this is fact: it's a known fact that he did state he was planning on releasing the album in June 2009, it's a known fact that he did return to the studio on January 4th, it's a known fact that Drake and Travis Barker said he was working on the album at the time and could not appear at the Grammys, and it's a known fact that he is currently working on the album in Hawaii with No I.D. and Big Sean. This is all proven through the references provided. We know that the title "Good Ass Job" is speculation, and I plan on reverting it to just "Kanye West's 5th Studio Album". Some other statements such as the Nicki Minaj and Rick Ross rumors are indeed just speculation, and I will remove them from the article. Otherwise, considering the WP:CRYSTAL policy, this album IS notable, due to the millions of Kanye West fans who wish to learn more about the album, and can use Wikipedia for this information if this article is kept intact. The album is for a fact going to be released, barring some sort of freak accident; although a 2010 release date is speculation, it is more than likely that the album will be released this year. If this article still needs to be revised so that it may remain on Wikipedia, I hope that those who are pushing for a deletion can help to edit the article to make it appropriate for Wikipedia, so that our visitors who are interested in visiting Kanye West's page looking for recent news on him may learn of this upcoming album. PittPanthers93 (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2010 (EST)
 * Delete - per WP:HAMMER.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 22:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:CRYSTAL. Much of what is being described as "known fact" above appears to this impartial observer as speculation. Nobody is claiming that a Kanye West album isn't notable, per se, just that this one doesn't, you know, exist. Imagine the Wikipedia article that would have been written about The Beach Boys' "Smile" back in the 1960's when that album was definitely, obviously, totally going to be coming out like any month now :). ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  22:10, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Playing devil's advocate against myself, or at least against my analogy: Smile was notable well before it came out simply for the fact of its never having been released. My analogy up there may actually be an argument in favor of keeping, although I think the two situations are actually pretty dissimilar. Anyway. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  22:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No reliable sources asserting there is or will be such an album. Sure there are rumours and hints, but this article isn't entitled Speculation about Kanye West's 5th Studio Album. -- Pontificalibus (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 22:41, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:HAMMERTIME. No sources contain information on the album beyond rumors/possibilities/speculation. No confirmed album title, release date or track listing -- violates WP:CRYSTAL.  Gongshow  Talk 22:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:HAMMER. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 23:41, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'MMA LET YOU FINISH but... delete.  JBsupreme  ( talk ) 23:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - No tracklisting, name, release date or anything other than speculations means that (sung to Gold Digger) "she take me Wp:HAMMER and smash to pieces". DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) &#124; (talk to me) &#124; (What I've done)  23:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * JBspupreme, I'm gonna let you finish, but MC Hammer's 5th album was totally better than Kanye West's Untitled 5th Studio album Shadowjams (talk) 05:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete stop..... hammertime RadioFan (talk) 20:42, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment my !vote is unchanged regardless of the discussion of reliable sources below. It's all speculative and there isn't enough there to write a good article on.  I do agree that there are rare occasions when an unnamed album receives enough attention to warrant an article, this isn't one of them.  There just aren't enough details yet.  I'm sure this album will have an article once it's at least named and there are some reliable details available.   We are pretty far from there right now though.  Wikipedia will be just fine without yet another unnamed album article.--RadioFan (talk) 05:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - plenty of reliable and independent sources, well beyond those already listed. . For the lazy: Entertainment Weekly MTV GQ etc. This satisfies the GNG, which is the same as what is says at Notability_(music). If the artist is notable, there is a strong presumption for keeping albums discussed in reliable and independent sources. Sources are the requirement; there is no need that there be a track list or a album art work to write a reliable and notable article. I don't think Hammer's law is well-suited to highly notable artists, nor does it apply to cases like this where the album title is known. Savidan 00:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Those sources do not satisfy the notability guidleines. Quotes from your souces such as "...so that’s not a whole lot to go on...We haven’t been able to get an official update on the status of Mr. West’s next project from his label yet, but that’s no reason not to start anticipating wildly" and "What are you doing in Hawaii? Working with Kanye West on our new albums." do not represent significant coverage about the subject. There is no album being discussed, just speculation about an album. As I said above, this article isn't Speculation about Kanye West's 5th Studio Album, when we have relaible sources asserting the existence of the album prior to release, or an official announcement, then an article might be warranted, but that time is not here yet.-- Pontificalibus (talk) 11:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Pontificalibus on this. The speculation and rush to create the first page, along with the generic page name is a problem that Hammer addresses, and is as useful (if not more) for high-profile artists as it is for low-profile ones. It should be disregarded when there's evidence of widespread coverage, but just because it's verifiable that it's been discussed is not the same thing as notability. Shadowjams (talk) 21:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I also agree with Pontificalibus. More reliable sourcing doesn't change the fact that this is still all speculative. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  07:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Savidan 21:19, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: per Savidan — Mike   Allen   08:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Savidan. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 21:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep --Jess28 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.32.120 (talk) 08:40, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - There are other sources cited in the article overlooked in this debate, including: Rolling Stone. In fact, buzz for a Kanye album entitled "Good Ass Job" predates even his most recent album. On lexis, I am also able to find the following (among many others):
 * Vibe Magazine, February 2009
 * New York Post, September 14, 2008; Pg. 46
 * MX (Australia), September 9, 2008; Pg. 3
 * New Musical Express, September 8, 2008
 * Chicago Tribune, September 6, 2008, Pg. 15


 * That Rolling Stone article you gave as a source only states "West, who said he has another album coming in June [2009]". That's not a sufficient source for this article. I assume the rest of the sources you list are similar.-- Pontificalibus (talk) 22:15, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete and wait until he has given it a name. AbbaIkea2010 (talk) 22:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:CRYSTAL; when further confirmation is made, the article can be remade. But currently, several sources are outdated. Lulz at previous comments... -- Esa nchez (Talk 2 me or Sign here) 02:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
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