Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karachay-Balkars


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The result was delete. Redirecting would perhaps require a separate discussion.  Sandstein  09:17, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Karachay-Balkars

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Recent original reserach WP:SYNTH putting two close officially recogniozed ethnic groups Karachays and Balkars into one. Not a single of 20+ other language wikipedias have such article. True, they have same roots and close history, but they are different nations today. By same logic one may merge Austrians and Germans into same page, and if you try to merge Serbs and Croats into Serbo-Croats (as in "Serbo-Croatian language"), they both cut your throat. - üser:Altenmann >t 00:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:57, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:15, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Make this a redirect to Balkars, rather than outright deletion to allow merging of content to other pages if needed. But yes, these are different peoples, at least in modern times, although they may have a common origin. My very best wishes (talk) 04:38, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep we don't have to align to other wikis here. This is not a serious argument. Numerous sources using this term are available on the Internet, including Google Books. Also, we actually have an article on the Serbo-Croat language, despite the fact that fervent nationalists reject this term (against the better judgement of linguists). So clearly a keep vote from me. Dorpater (talk) 18:58, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * On this page they are mistaken as Alans ("The Alans (Karachay-Balkars)..."). Yes, they speak on different dialects of the same (Karachay-Balkar language (that's why nominator mentioned Serbo-Croatian language as a similar example). If you can provide a few really good RS supporting the claim that "Karachays and Balkars constitute together one Karachay-Balkars nation" - as this page currently tells, I will change my vote. My very best wishes (talk) 21:10, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —azuki (talk · contribs · email) 14:38, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:POVFORK. The article creator Александр Цикало is a sockpuppet whose been promoting fringe theories at the articles Karachays and Balkars. Krakkos (talk) 20:59, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, no redirect Clearly two separate people even when discussed together for geographical or linguistic purposes. See  Hence the article is an affirmatively misleading conflation of history, linguistic similarity and a regional geographic name. Clearly WP:SYNTHESIS and as Krakkos says a WP:POVFORK. No merge necessary as content is already present where it is documented. See Alans article. No redirect, as it would be misleading, even if redirected to the geographic region Kabardino-Balkaria, or to the language article. The article's creation may constitute part of a pattern of WP:Disruptive editing, yet another reason for no redirect. --Bejnar (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2015 (UTC)


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