Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karasi Eyalet


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The result was   no consensus. The discussion on renaming can take place on the article's talk page if required.  Wifione  Message 12:47, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Karasi Eyalet

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It's unclear whether this Ottoman province existed at all. Even if did, having existed for only 2 years in the 19th century, it's unlikely that it would deserve an article of its own eh bien mon prince (talk) 23:34, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Delete : As long as I understand, this was not an eyalet but Sanjak of Karasi.

According to İsmail Hakkı Uzunçarşılı, ''Eyalet teşkilâtı değiştirildiği sırada ve 1257 H. (1841 M.)'de Karası sancağı Kocaeli ve Hüdavendigâr (Bursa) ile birlikte bir vilâyet içine alınmıştır. Bugün Balıkesir vilâyetinde bulunan Balya ile Agonya (Koyuneli) eski teşkilâtta Biga sancağına vr Gönen, Kebsut, Aydıncık Bursa sancağına bağlanmışlardı. 1262 H. (1846 M.)'de Erdek Karası'ya ilhak edilmiş ve 1285 H. (1868 M.)'de Bergama Karası'den alınarak Saruhan (Manisa) sancağına verilmiştir. 1261 H. (1845 M.)'deki idarî teşkilâtta Manisa vilâyet yapılıp Karası sancağı buraya verilmiş ise de az sonra tekrar Hüdavendigâr (Bursa) vilâyetine bağlanmıştır.'' p. 102.

According to Abdülmecit Mutaf, Salnâmelerde Karesi Sancağı, 1847-1922, ''1841-1864 yılları: Bu yılda yapılan yeni düzenlemeyle Hüdavendigâr müstakil bir eyalet olmuştur. 41 eyaletten biri olan Hüdavendigâr sekiz Livaya (eight liva = sanjak) ayrılmıştı: Bunlar: Hüdavendigâr Livası (Merkez liva), Karahisar-i Sahip Livası, Kütahya Livası, Bilecik (sonra Kocaeli) Livası, Biga Livası, Karesi Livası....'' p. 17.

Takabeg (talk) 01:04, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If it was actually a sanjak the article about this non-existing eyalet might as well be deleted. Redirecting a 'x eyalet' article to 'x sanjak' would only confuse the matters further.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 01:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * keep &mdash; inhabited places, even if defunct, are generally considered notable. &mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 02:01, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

According to Çağatay Uluçay, this was a short-lived eyalet:

1845'de Karasi ile Saruhan'in birlestirilerek bir eyalet haline getirilmesi üzerine 2 Eylül 1845 Zilkade.... (p. 285.) Takabeg (talk) 03:37, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

According to Mehmet Zeki Pakalın, (El Haji) Saib Pasha was appointed the vali of Saruhan.

Üç seneden fazla menkûb kaldıktan sonra, 1261 senesi Zilkidesinde (1845) Karası ve Saruhan sancaklarının tevhidiyle teşkil olunan Saruhan Valiliğine tayin edilmiş ve 1263 senesi Cumadelahırında da (1847) infisali vuku bulmuştur. (p. 26.) Takabeg (talk) 03:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Move to Saruhan Eyalet. If I understand the situation correctly, there were originally two sanjaks, the Sanjak of Karesi (note the e in Karesi), part of the Hüdavendigâr Eyalet, and the Sanjak of Saruhan, part of the Eyalet of Aidin. These two sanjaks were combined in 1845 to form a new eyalet: the Saruhan Eyalet. The Turkish Vikipedi article tr:Saruhan Eyaleti states as much, except for giving Karesi Eyalet and Karesi-Saruhan Eyalet as other names for this eyalet, which apparently only existed from 1845 to 1847. --Lambiam 10:05, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I suggest to merge it with short-lived Ottoman provinces.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per comment of alf.laylah.wa.laylah. Ottoman administrative unit Karasi has significant coverage by neutral reliable sources, i.e. meets Notability requests. I think that in case it was not eyalet but sanjak the article should be renamed, not deleted. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)    02:05, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


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