Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Archey


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 07:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Karen Archey

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Non-notable art critic. No significant coverage, so does not meet WP:GNG. The article is written like bio with no encyclopedic information or indication of notability.WP:NOTLINKEDIN. Sabih omar 07:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Visual arts,  and United States of America. &mdash;  Karnataka  talk  07:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, New York,  and Ohio.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:06, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete . I didn't find enough to establish notability. -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 22:21, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment - Karen Archey is a very well known and highly respected international curator who has organized many notable exhibitions at institutions such as the Stedelijk Museum; Amsterdam, the ICA, London; the New Museum of Contemporary Art, NYC, among other venues. Many of her shows have been reviewed, and her role as a curator is discussed (not just the artists in the shows). She is also a well known writer (not just as an "art critic" but as an art historian.) Won a prestigious writer's award from the Andy Warhol Foundation. I'm really surprised that neither of you were able to find anything on her online (I've noticed that Google gives different results sometimes, not sure if that is due to geography or browsing habits.) Later today or tomorrow I will see what I can find in a BEFORE search to establish notability. She's notable, that's for sure! Netherzone (talk) 19:21, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have added her recent book and two book reviews to the article. Beccaynr (talk) 00:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I also found and added a 2018 co-edited book, with a review, that Archey also contributed to Beccaynr (talk) 14:36, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I started updating the article, including with sources from the Wikipedia Library - WP:BASIC/WP:CREATIVE notability seems to have support from her collective body of work; she has written a notable book (After Institutions) and I added sustained secondary coverage of her 2014 co-curated Art Post-Internet exhibition and 2014 co-edited Art Post-internet: Information/Data publication; the exhibition and book are also noted when she was named a '40 under 40 Art & Tech Thinker' by Apollo Magazine in 2021. There appear to be more secondary sources available in the Wikpedia Library, and I think the article could be further developed with sources already added. Beccaynr (talk) 04:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There also appear to be about four pages of GBooks results to sort through, where she/her work is cited and/or discussed. Beccaynr (talk) 15:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that. Thank you for your excellent improvements, @Beccaynr. I've added a few items also. I think the nom should be withdrawn. Netherzone (talk) 15:36, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - clearly meets WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO, and may also meet WP:AUTHOR based on reviews. I've just started adding more content and a few more citations. I'm surprised it was nominated,, I know you are a newer editor and may not know, but doing a WP:BEFORE search is considered best-practices before making a nomination. Also a quick question, how come you seem to like nominating articles about people named "Karen"? Not that you have done anything against policy, but you nominated six "Karen articles" in one day. Just curious. Netherzone (talk) 15:01, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have also gone through other common first names like Chris, Smith, Michael, Jennifer and Pamella. I have also improved several pages (like Karen Beemon, Pamela Wallace, Smith Bagley etc.). And I am glad this article about Karen Archey is getting improved because of this AfD. So yes, I did categorically look up pages by first name, but tried to improve them (or remove) based on the merit of each page, without any prejudice. Sabih omar 17:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sabih omar, there's nothing wrong with nominating 6 Karens for deletion at once but it looks odd.
 * I recommend you not do this just to spare yourself some sort of wild, bad faith accusation coming at you from out of nowhere ("this person is a misogynist!", "this person hates men!", "this person …")
 * It certainly raised questions in my mind when I saw all those Karens but I kept quiet. I figured any malicious agenda would become apparent at the AfDs.
 * Just to add another layer of complexity and suspicion, in North America, "Karen" has become a code word of sorts; see Karen (slang).
 * Again, this is not about you doing anything wrong -- you didn't. This is about other people jumping to conclusions. Eventually it all gets sorted out but you don't deserve the intervening dumpster fire.
 * Or, perversely, you could just blame it on your "AI bot" ignoring your instructions. That would keep WP:ANI busy for several days.
 * Anyway, thanks for caring about our articles.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 04:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, just as a follow up - I do not think 'wild, bad faith accusations' are the only type of concern that could be raised about a series of AfD noms with the first name "Karen", which as Karen (slang) notes, could be recognized as a derogatory term. I raised this issue with Sabih omar on his talk page, with an underlying assumption that he may not have realized how others might view the pattern; from my view, he responded in an open and collaborative manner, and then another editor also offered their perspective and encouragement to Sabih omar. I further think it is commendable that during discussion here and at his talk page, Sabih omar avoided language that could be interpreted as dismissive or inflammatory, which I think has been helpful for developing a constructive resolution. Beccaynr (talk) 15:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sabih omar I'm the editor who asked, Also a quick question, how come you seem to like nominating articles about people named "Karen"? Not that you have done anything against policy, but you nominated six "Karen articles" in one day. Just curious. Perhaps I should have asked at your user talk page rather than in this AfD. The reason I asked was not because of the Karen (slang) implications that are mentioned above. The reason I asked is it seemed like you were making an arbitrary decision to nominate several articles superfically based on a name - it seemed too coincidental that so many Karen articles were nominated within minutes of one another. I was perplexed by that procedure in relation to something as serious the AfD process, especially since they were made within minutes of one another. I wondered how you could perform an in-depth WP:BEFORE into each of these Karen articles, and it seemed like you simply picked a name out of a hat to nominate for deletions. The AfD process, at least to my mind, is an aspect of the encyclopedia where one needs to take their time, be thoughtful, do research into sourcing on-and-off-wiki and not approach deletion randomly or lightly. The fact that, as others have pointed out, that "Karens" seem to be culturally dismissed in recent years further complicated matters, and after that was pointed out, I also agree with the issues those editors have described. Hope that helps to explain why I asked the question! Netherzone (talk) 16:51, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I totally understand why it raised questions. But I can re-assert that there was no prejudice. Thank you all for being patient and civil about it. From these discussions, I learned a lot about AfD procedure as well, and won't use this as lightly going forward. Sabih omar 17:06, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries @Sabih omar! There is also great information here to learn more about how AfD works: Articles for deletion - it has all the guidelines. Happy editing, and see you around! Netherzone (talk) 17:40, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

-- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 03:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - switched to "keep" on everybody's good work. Another "Karen" saved!


 * Thanks everyone! Sabih omar 03:53, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep, I thought that it must have been worked on while reading it. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep She is a notable art critic and there are over 3 articles where she is the primary subject. Hexatekin (talk) 19:56, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.