Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Deal


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The result was no consensus. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 08:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Karen Deal

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Notoriety cannot be established via inheritance (who was married to whom) nor via a series of obituaries (which only count as routine mentions). This individual does not appear to have received the level of attention required to qualify for a standalone article. Death does not equal notability. KDS 4444 Talk  13:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment, Inheritance doesn't even come into it. The mention of Arch Deal and Marty Balin is only additional to what is already there. Karen Deal has played a prominent part in the development of Rock Music in the Tampa area. During her time in the early days, bands such as the Latino rock group Sweet Smoke and no doubt The Mod Squad, artists such as Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Mike Pinera, Greg Allman, and Joe Walsh would come to see them. She is certainly much more than a footnote in the Florida rock scene. She has quite likely been a part of it's development. Yes she was married to Marty Balin, and she has co-produced at least two of his albums as well as playing on recordings by the reformed latter day Jefferson Airplane. There's more but I haven't got time to go through it all now. Karl Twist (talk) 13:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep, I believe she is notable as a part of the rock scene in Florida. She has been part of the development of the rock scene by her participation. Founding member of Sweet Smoke which included White Witch's Beau Fisher and The Mod Squad. Karl Twist (talk) 13:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I am not certain that I am convinced that being prominent in a local music scene qualifies a person for a standalone Wikipedia article. She would need to have risen to the level of at least regional if not national attention as evidenced by publications with that level of distribution and reader interest.  Links to mentions of her hospice care, her discographies, and her obituaries don't seem to meet the notability requirements of Wikipedia.  She does not appear to have won any national awards for her work, which would also have been an indicator of notability.  Being "more than a footnote" does not translate into "notable."  (If anything, to me, it suggests the opposite.)  The references, at least as given here, don't seem to support a notability argument.  KDS 4444  Talk  20:10, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The Florida rock scene in the early 1970's through to the 1980s was an important part in the historical avenues of rock in the United States. Many classic rock bands came from this area in the 1970s and even the 1980s. Karen Deal was real part of it and she was in bands with members that went on to be come nationally known Yes. she wasn't internationally known or even known across the greater USA. She was however known in her state for her contributions. As I mentioned before, the obituaries are only additional to her history that is evidenced in various articles. When I mentioned "being more than a footnote, I meant her value or contribution to the rock scene in Florida worth noting and she was more than a cog. She also can be looked upon as a directional gear in the machine. She was also a producer. Sure she co produced her husband's albums plus some work for other artists. When you look at the big picture, there's a lot more in the picture to note. Sometimes you have to take a step or two back. Then you can see how and where it fits in. Karl Twist (talk) 15:07, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment, I'd also like to add that Karen Deal would be in the minority being a female rock keyboardist from Florida but that in itself could be a barrier breaker as well. Not sure that Pioneer would be the most suitable term for her but her efforts would have been pioneering none the less and quite likely an inspiration to aspiring young female musicians, especially keyboardists. And she was prominent in the rock scene of her state. She was recognized for that in her lifetime. Karl Twist (talk) 10:21, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 02:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:30, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep It's fairly common for women to receive more coverage from their obits than they do during their lives. This doesn't take away from her contribution to the local scene in Tampa. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:31, 24 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. There are 26 References cited in the Article. At least some of them should be Reliable and establish Notability. Then again, some of you might have looked at the RefList more thoroughly than I have. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 05:19, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


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