Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Gómez


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. 2:1 ratio of those contesting for deletion. Those wanting to keep the article didn't necessarily provide convincing, policy-based arguments. Killiondude (talk) 05:30, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Karen Gómez

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Contested Prod, however deletion rationale remains valid, namely: the player fails NFOOTY as has not played or managed senior international football nor played or managed in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG.

A number of sources have been added to the article, but these are insufficient to satisfy GNG for the following reasons:


 * ligafemenil.mx - primary source, not suitable for GNG.
 * noroeste.com.mx - article in fact about a completely different player. Brief mention of the subject, trivial coverage.
 * espn.com.mx - brief article on the player when she broke her arm. Not significant coverage.
 * espn.com.mx - a mention of the player by name but no depth. Trivial coverage.
 * amqueretaro.com - routine match reporting, again a brief mention of the player in a much wider context. Trivial coverage. Fenix down (talk) 10:25, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Fenix down (talk) 10:25, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 12:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: Plays at the highest level in her country - if there is not yet a fully professional female league it should not prevent the country's highest-performing females players from being included in our encyclopedia. Pam  D  10:22, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't keep players of any gender simply because they play in their country's top league. By your logic, players from the Kiribati National Championship are inherently notable which is demonstrably untrue. Fenix down (talk) 13:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Another example of why this would be absurd is because I am sure we can find countries in the Muslim world, maybe Saudi Arabia, where the top rated women's football league is games that are played with no publicity and at ad hoc locations, for fear of people shut down by the authorities.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:34, 27 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NFOOTY failure. Playing at the top level does not confer notability in itself, hence why we don't allow articles on players from the Faroe Islands Premier League etc. Number   5  7  10:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete being in the top league in your country is not a sign of notability. Does Palau even have a football league? Also, why would we create this bizarre rule for football, and not for any other sport? We already have way more articles on football players than can be adequately maintained, with many on people who played in one game on a low end team in a 2nd or 3rd rate in their country fully professional league, with one source that is not better than a stat report. What we need to do is tighten the notability criteria, not loose them so we get an uncontrollable flood of articles on non-notable people. Wikipedia does not exist to right wrongs. If in the real world women's football in a particular country recieves less coverage and notice than men's football, and this is reflected in the sources, than we have to follow the sources. Wikipedia is not the place for original research and seeking to make the world a utopia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:32, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per PamD. Plays in the top soccer league in her country. Carrite (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As noted above, playing in a top league in a country does not make a footballer notable, hence why WP:NFOOTY does not include it. If it did, we wouldn't have deleted hundreds (if not thousands) of articles on footballers who play in top divisions that aren't fully professional (see e.g. the results of these recent AfDs on players that had played in top divisions). Number   5  7  10:02, 30 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.