Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Lee Batten


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The result was redirect to Canadian Idol (season 1). Clear consensus not to keep; redirecting as WP:ATD. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Karen Lee Batten

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We seem to have an article here that, while quite sizeable, has very little to say toward any possible notability.

To delineate how she seems to fail every point of WP:NMUSIC, at least those that would apply in the first place...


 * 1. "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works..."
 * The only result on AmericanRadioHistory.com, which archives back issues of Billboard, Radio & Records, and other music and chart magazines, is a listing (scroll to page 70) that her video was played on CMT Canada.
 * AllMusic does not have a biography for her, and they usually write biographies on anyone.
 * The sources in the article are mostly WP:PRIMARY or promotional in nature, including Amazon, ReverbNation, and TV.com, as well as the official sites of various non-notable awards she's won.
 * There are some articles on newspapers.com, but almost all are just "local girl performing tonight at such and such" type fluff from her hometown newspaper in Abbotsford. The rest are just passing mentions in the greater context of Canadian Idol.
 * 2. "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart."
 * Billboard seems to suggest that one of her albums made #98 on the Canadian Albums Chart, but the chart itself is paywalled so this is difficult to verify. That's still an extremely low ranking, and outweighed by the utter lack of sourcing or other claims to fame.
 * 3. "Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country."
 * As mentioned above, she was on a compliation album that went gold, and was only one of several performers on it.
 * 4. "Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country."
 * What little coverage I could find was WP:LOCAL from her hometown newspaper. This article does seem to be somewhat useful, but it makes vague claims like "strong airplay across the country". It also makes claims that she has performed with other artists, but notability is not inherited.


 * 5. "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels..."
 * While she has two albums, one of the two was self-released, and the other was on a distributor that pairs with other independent labels.
 * "Karen Lee Batten" + "Every Moment" turns up only the aforementioned sidebars on newspapers.com. The album doesn't even have so much as a placeholder on AllMusic. All I could find was Google Play, ReverbNation, and her own website.
 * "Karen Lee Batten" + "Cause a Scene" turns up no results on newspapers.com or Google Books. The only hits I can find are things like Spotify.
 * 8. "Has won or been nominated for a major music award..."
 * As mentioned above, the British Columbia Country Music Awards article was deleted due to lack of notability. Texas Sounds International does not appear to be a major award institution, either.
 * 9. "Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition."
 * She placed eleventh.
 * 10. "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g... inclusion on a notable compilation album"
 * Again, the album to which she contributed was merely Canadian Idol performances, and while it did go gold, it does not seem to be individually notable.
 * 11. "Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network."
 * Some articles make vague mentions that some of her songs got "national airplay", but these claims are utterly unsubstantiated. Canada does have its own country music charts, so if she had gotten any substantial airplay, she certainly would have at least gotten some momentum on them. Vague claims like "national airplay" are usually used to cover up the fact that the song actually didn't chart anywhere and was probably only played once at 3 AM by some random station in BFE.
 * One of the snippets above does prove that one of her videos was rotated on CMT Canada, but it seems to have only been for a single week and otherwise got no attention.

tl;dr: suggest either outright deletion or redirection to the season of Canadian Idol in which she placed, due to lack of reliable sourcing or claims to fame. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom --Devokewater  @  12:06, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to season one of Canadian Idol. I considered perhaps the Canadian Billboard might qualify her for notability, but the nominator lays out very good arguments for the shortcomings of that and other accomplishments. Basically, just another competition show contestant with the usual low-level efforts/accomplishments with dutiful coverage in context to having been on the TV show. It's worth noting very few other low-placing contestants (11th place) from Canadian Idol merit individual wikipedia notability. ShelbyMarion (talk) 16:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


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