Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Louise Ellis


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The result was keep, as the references provided in the references section are sufficient to establish a presumption of notability for this person per Wikipedia's general notability guideline, and there is insufficient evidence of a consensus to override this presumption. John254 02:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Karen Louise Ellis

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I'm nominating a group of long-standing, well-sourced articles about notorious sex offenders for deletion. The reason is notability - I just don't think these folks are all that notorious anymore. They are scandalous news stories that got a lot of attention at the time but have by and large faded from public memory, except here. They are marginal cases - all get lots of google hits, and consensus may go either way. It's possible that were they deleted, true-crime fans or age-of-consent advocates would rapidly recreate them. But my view is that these articles just don't add a lot of informational value to the encyclopedia. Curious to see which way consensus will go. Dybryd 03:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability is not temporary. Chris 07:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * *Comment Right! " a short burst of present news coverage" is not necessarily evidence of long-term notability. That is in fact the basis of my nominations! Dybryd 08:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep as WP:N has been fulfilled and, as stated before, is not temporary.  Bur nt sau ce  17:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Notability is not temporary, but people may be confused between notability and press coverage. Relevant points from WP:N:
 * This concept [notability] is distinct from "fame", "importance", or "popularity".
 * A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
 * "Presumed" means a rebuttable presumption. Substantive coverage in reliable sources suggests that the subject is notable. However, many subjects with such coverage may still not be worthy of inclusion – they fail What Wikipedia is not, or the coverage does not actually speak to notability when examined.[1] (emphasis added)
 * "Notability is not temporary. Wikinews, not Wikipedia, is better suited to present topics receiving a short burst of present news coverage. Thus, this guideline properly considers the long-term written coverage of persons and events.[10] In particular, a short burst of present news coverage about a topic does not necessarily constitute objective evidence of long-term notability." (emphasis added)
 * --lquilter 17:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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