Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Rodriguez


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to American Idol (season 10). Rather than commenting, I thought about closing it and this is what I will do because a Google News search only provided two recent results here and here and this Spanish news article from March 2012, all are not substantial. Although it is likely she may have a future career, she is not notable at this time. (non-admin closure) SwisterTwister   talk  19:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Karen Rodriguez

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Does not fulfill criteria of Wikipedia:Notability (music). Babar Suhail (talk) 23:32, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong keep It has been English Wikipedia's consensus regarding American Idol at least, that all 12 finalists of all seasons get their own pages regardless of what success they have later on. I don't know how fair this is, as this is not applied to other country Idol competitions, or to other reality TV competitions like X Factor, The Voice etc. but this is the way it is. I am ready for someone initiating a general discussion on all American Idol contestant articles. Once our present consensus is changed after a general discussion, individual articles deletions may be contemplated. But nominating just Karen Rodriguez out of all American Idol contestants seems unfair and unwaranted to me. Keep and initiate a general discussion if you will. werldwayd (talk) 23:41, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I agree with Werldwayd's explanations and suggestion of a general discussion. No hurry to delete the article. --E4024 (talk) 23:46, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to American Idol (season 10). Aside from notability concerns, this just duplicates content that's in that article. Until there's something to say outside of her appearance on the show there's no reason to have a standalone article. --Michig (talk) 13:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:39, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect - to American Idol (season 10). I see no indication of coverage that would establish notabililty independent of her appearance on American Idol. -- Whpq (talk) 17:37, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep An article about an American Idol finalist that has multiple, reliable sources passes WP:MUSICBIO #1 & 9 and passes WP:GNG. It find it sad that as the article's creator I was not notified of this AfD. Aspects (talk) 22:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - The current edition of WP:MUSICBIO includes the admonsihment at the end: Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated they are independently notable. -- Whpq (talk) 23:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:58, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect Per WP:MUSICBIO; "Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated they are independently notable." Apparently "the artist" now has to prove themselves as notable outside the series to deserve a page of their own.  Ms. Rodriguez has so far not established herself independently and should be redirected.  Can't be more plainly in print. Яεñ99 (talk) 11:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It says "may be redirected": this means that redirection is optional, a possibility, not that it must be redirected. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * And should be interpreted in the same way as other criteria which also says "may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria" -- Whpq (talk) 11:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect per Michig. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment and this AfD may lead to deletion, etc.. However, in this instance, the admonishment referenced appears to have been added to eliminate the practice of a creating "ghetto" space of pages for persons who have appeared on reality tv but failed to establish a current notable context.  That said, Ms. Rodriguez should be given a chance to develop a notable following/career/contribution, and at that point she can be considered for her own Wiki page.  There is no need for it at this time, and there appears to be plenty of support for allowing this to happen over time, instead of RIGHT NOW, as some would so desire instead.  Patience can make the difference, just ask Gn'R. Яεñ99 (talk) 13:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.