Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kargar Boneh Gez Tangestan F.C.


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The result was   delete. v/r - TP 17:02, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Kargar Boneh Gez Tangestan F.C.

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Contested PROD, author has added references, but these only support the team's appearance in the fourth level of Iranian football. No indication that the article meets either the General Notability Guidline or the specific football criteria for inclusion. Cloudz 679 20:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Cloudz 679 20:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 13:30, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Fails WP:FOOTYN and WP:GNG. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is a clear example of the systemic bias ingrained by WP:FOOTYN. That essay, that usually seems to be regarded as a guideline at WP:AFD, treats clubs at the tenth level of English football as notable, but is used to deny notability to clubs at the fourth level of football in a larger, equally football-mad, country. Am I the only one who can see the inconsistency here? Or will we just get more bot-like delete opinions citing an obviously unfit-for-purpose essay. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have concerns with WP:FOOTYN I suggest you initiate a discussion at WP:FOOTBALL. Cloudz 679 17:58, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - With all due respects to my dear friends, I wonder why they told that it fails WP:GNG & WP:FOOTYN! The references used in the article has written enough about this FC to make him notable. On the other hand, this club had participated in Iran Football's 3rd Division; any clubs that competed in any national leagues would be notable. ● Mehran Debate● 11:41, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The fourth tier in Iran is actually split into six groups, not exactly a national league. So your comment about playing in a national league is not applicable in this case. According to Iranian football league system, only the top tier is a national league. Maybe it is worth looking at WP:ORGIN - not exactly unrelated sources, WP:CLUB - fails point 1, as well as the aforementioned WP:GNG. Cloudz 679 17:58, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * These four tiers are organized by Football Federation of Iran. Iran pro league & Azadegan league & 2nd & 3rd division league, all are national leagues, because the teams are organized through the country, not a province or a special region. We have provincial leagues in Iran which in not national, but the higher divisions would be national. ● Mehran Debate● 21:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Even Iran Football's 3rd Division refers to itself as a regional league, where teams play other teams based on geographic criteria. Cloudz 679 08:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That sentence has not any sources and it seems that it has been written by a user. In fawiki it has been considered that 3rd division is a national league and organized by the federation. You can also see the news of these leagues in the federation website. ● Mehran Debate● 11:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm still waiting for a reference. The iran wiki page you referenced looks much like what I've already seen in English wiki, with the fourth tier divided into six levels. There is no information there supported by inline citations which show any kind of notability. Additionally, the federation website that you linked to doesn't seem to establish any kind of notability for the league. Cloudz 679 22:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting to allow comments on Mehran's views. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Wifione  Message 06:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)




 * Comment' The rules for FOOTY are only guidelines to the  extent that we want them to be; & the preferences of those who work primarily are the subject do not determine it. The project as a while makes the rules the project as a whole makes what exceptions it pleases. It seems reasonable to me that we would want to make different requirements in countries where it is a major  sport, with excellent news coverage, and countries were it it is much less  well organized & with much less news coverage. It's a matter of judgment, and the judgement is that of the community as a whole. How we should judge this particular case, though,I have no personal opinion.     DGG ( talk ) 20:54, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 03:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - although there are some sources only two seem to be independant (soccerworld) not really enough at the moment for me to vote keep. However, if a few more were added then I would vote keep. Adam4267 (talk) 10:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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