Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karl D. Gregory Cooperative House


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Inter-Cooperative Council at the University of Michigan. Opinion is divided between merge and delete. Redirect is a compromise that allows editors to decide whether anything is worth merging from history.  Sandstein  21:34, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Karl D. Gregory Cooperative House

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Dorms and frat houses are usually not notable unless they are on the National Register of Historic Places. This building is not on that register, and does not appear to pass WP:GNG either. Hog Farm (talk) 02:29, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fraternities and sororities-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 02:29, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 02:29, 18 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: It is very common for dorms and frat houses to be covered in a list of university buildings, or a narrower list of university dormitories and perhaps other housing. See Category:Lists of university and college buildings in the United States for many examples, including a number about housing alone.
 * I mostly write about National Register-listed places, and it is nice that the deletion nominator is aware that such listing usually means a place is notable. But by far most notable places are not on the National Register;  what matters more fundamentally is whether a place meets our wp:GNG general notability guideline by the existence of reliable sources about them.  Did the deletion nominator perform wp:BEFORE?  They did not say so in the nomination. --Doncram (talk) 05:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply @User:Doncram, I did perform my BEFORE but just forgot to include my findings in the article. Pretty much the only information I can find on this topic are social media mentions, information from the ICC's website (which, since the ICC is the sponsoring organization of this house, I consider to be basically self-published), a few short paragraphs in a Michigan Daily article which describes a number of the ICC's houses (which suggests to me that the article proves notability for the ICC, but not for individual houses), and the Russian Wikipedia (not RS). This leads me to the conclusion that this house fails WP:GNG, which is why I checked to see if it was on the National Register of Historic Places. Hog Farm (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge tentatively. There is no way this should be outright deleted, because merger into higher level article Inter-Cooperative Council at the University of Michigan is possible; there is a section for it there, which just directs to this article.  At least a summary can appear there if this article is not Kept outright.  However, I think maybe this should be kept;  offhand it seems like sources would exist about this; i hope others can find and discuss sources to save this.  But again, deletion is not the answer. --Doncram (talk) 05:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not encyclopedic content in the first place, whether as a separate article or part of a list or merged into an article like student life at ... or even the main university page. --it is more suitable for the university's web page than an encyclopedia. Yjrtr jsd nrrm s [lsvce there has been a place for a listing of major university run dormitories in more general articles, but extending it to every house of this sort is non-encyclopedic detail.  DGG ( talk ) 09:43, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 18:04, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * "Yjrtr jsd nrrm s [lsvce"? Is that some acronym like "ymmv" (your mileage may vary)?
 * (typo from being one place to the right of where I thought I was on the keyboard it translates as "there has been a place")  DGG ( talk ) 20:01, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The fact remains that Inter-Cooperative Council at the University of Michigan is a sourced article in Wikipedia, which covers this house, and it is reasonable to merge/redirect the house article there.  DGG would apparently prefer to merge less, and/or call it a "redirect" decision, but I see no reasoning here valid for outright deletion of the topic.  I think it is reasonable for Wikipedia to provide something for readers searching on this topic. --Doncram (talk) 13:37, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Right. I support listings of that sort, but not individual articles. DGG ( talk ) 20:01, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge per Doncram, however note that the target article already has an "too much intricate detail" tag. Merge should be selective and only include a overview (with sources). MB 02:02, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete article lacks any indepdent sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to Inter-Cooperative Council at the University of Michigan, which can absorb pertinent info for this building Djflem (talk) 10:27, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.