Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karl Michael (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to The Voice UK (series 2). Mark Arsten (talk) 16:37, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Karl Michael
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Seems to be WP:BLP1E. Domino Go! doesn't seem to have put out anything, and Karl Michael seems to have done nothing else not tied to The Voice. Last AFD closed as "no consensus" after two relists. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:46, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep: It is unusual to nominate an article practically the same day it was saved for No concensus (21 July 2013) for a second deletion request (also dated July 21, 2013). For archive of first deletion deliberations and decision, see Talk:Karl Michael. Clearly no other colleagues saw any urgency in deleting this notable artist that has been around in signed acts for years before The Voice. Domino Go! were signed to Atlantic Records 2009-2012 and a full album recorded at Atlantic though not released for contractual legalese. Karl Michael also worked for years in the band The Wayne Foundation that was signed to Sony BMG, another huge recording firm from 2005-2007. Clearly this artist goes far beyond The Voice with his contract with Sony BMG 2005 to 2007, and Atlantic Records from 2009 to 2012. Even his perfromance on The Voice was impressive. He reached the semi-final and was only eliminated against Andrea Begley, the season's eventual winner. werldwayd (talk) 07:36, 21 July 2013 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 07:40, 21 July 2013 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 07:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not unusual, since the closer of the last AFD said no prejudice against a speedy renom. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 13:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Sir  Rcsprinter,  Bt  (yak)  @ 09:39, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Sir  Rcsprinter,  Bt  (talkin' to me?)  @ 09:39, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep What the fsck? DavidLeighEllis (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * How about actually giving a reason and not WP:ATTACKing? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:55, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Very well, renomination with a most inappropriate celerity... DavidLeighEllis (talk) 21:05, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And yes, I did read above that "the closer of the last AFD said no prejudice against a speedy renom", but AFD participants are not bound by such impotent guidance. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 21:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to The Voice UK (series 2). As far as I can tell, he has had a music career that showed enough promise to get picked up by record labels but hasn't actually managed to do enough to attract notice beyond the appearance on season 2 of The Voice.  It is definitely not the case that the artist goes "clearly" beyond the voice.  Being signed by a major label may be quite the accomplishment for a musician looking to make it, but simply being signed is not notable on for a standalone article on Wikipedia.  As for the speedy renomination, I don't think the original non-admin closure was appropriate and it should have been reviewed by an admin, but it's some time later and here we are.  -- Whpq (talk) 10:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to The Voice UK (series 2) as per previous discussion. This is the normal thing to do when someone has little or no notability outside of a TV talent show (in this case he only reached the semi finals). All the information about his solo performances do not need to be repeated separately, because they are already in The Voice UK article. As far as I can see he wasn't independently notable from his earlier group work (and I'm not sure any of his groups/duos were notable either). Sionk (talk) 15:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 21:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)




 * Redirect to The Voice UK (series 2). The keep crowd seem determined to focus on the technicalities of re-listing this which I actually think would have been a reasonable course of action for the last AFD (having had it re-listed only twice). I don't think the closer was wrong to close as no-consensus, nor to cite NPASR. The subject doesn't seem to be notable outside of his appearance on The Voice and the general consensus in such cases is to redirect contestants to their relevant season unless they are sufficiently individually and separately notable. Can't see how this would be an exception to that consensus. Stalwart 111  00:47, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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