Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karlie Redd


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  17:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Karlie Redd

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Simply put, she is a non-notable VH1 personality (and VH1 should not even ethically be a reference here since that’s her employer) and there are no reliable sources to establish notability outside of Love and Hip Hop series. The fact that the article keeps saying facts about her life are unverifiable is my point in itself. Trillfendi (talk) 22:33, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep: Even without the VH1 sources, there are multiple sources on the page that establish notability under WP:BIO. A quick Google search turned up a few recent stories, e.g. 1 3. That some of her biographical information hasn't been verified does not discount notability. --Citrivescence (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Come on now. Gossip from gossip sites is not notability. Gossip about not getting a spin off isn’t notability. Atlanta Black Star is not a reliable source nor is HelloBeautiful. Redirection is the only viable choice. I’m simply pointing out that because she lacks actual significant coverage from reliable sources rather than gossip sites who talk about what rapper she’s dating, no one has actually manages to find such absolutely basic information like her real name People really grasped for straws for this “source”; I never said lack of verifiable details is the lack of notability (I could have worded that differently), it’s the lack of significant coverge from reliable sources why I proposed deletion.  Not 1 independent a/o reliable source was given here and when I actually tried to look, not 1 was found. “Karlie Redd gets engaged” is not notable whatsoever.Trillfendi (talk) 00:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment My sense is that she is very notable outside of mainstream news outlets. She is also a musician and an actress, and accordingly I found sourcing in other outlets that cover hip hop and African American entertainment (which are not gossip sites): www.thesource.com, www.ebony.com, www.chicagodefender.com. The page can be improved. And aside from the sourcing, I don't think a marriage is non-notable simply because certain audiences may not know or care about someone. --Citrivescence (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I’m not saying marriage is notable, I’m saying “Karlie Redd gets engaged” headlines don’t do it. As shown on Love and Hip Hop: Atlanta, she doesn’t have a music career to speak of. And outside of a one minute role in Top Five, she doesn’t really have an acting career to speak of either.Trillfendi (talk) 16:46, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't comment on the state of her career--I think you may be more familiar with her work than me! Again, I argue she's notable and will search for better sources and attempt to improve the page.--Citrivescence (talk) 16:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:56, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Love and Hip Hop. Gossip stories cannot substitute for reliable, secondary coverage, especially when evaluating GNG. I believe the amount of guess work on her life may also be a BLP concern.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:04, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


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