Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karnataka State Film Awards


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No consensus to delete. The cheap shots at the nominator were not necessary. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to reply here for your comments. I didn't get any other means to reply you. There were not any cheap shots at the nominator in the discussion. The nominator had used cheap words to describe the article. If you are supporting him, then I will decide you are also of the same kind. (Kannadakumara (talk) 08:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC))

Karnataka State Film Awards

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These are awards which apply only to one state in India. The article has no sources. The text reads largely as personal opinion, in as much as there is any text. Guy (Help!) 20:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. This one state in India has a larger population than Spain, Argentina, South Africa, South Korea, Australia or Canada (I think I've covered all the continents there), so the weasel-word "only" in the nomination is clearly inappropriate. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, Karnataka is a state of 52.8 million people. Salih  ( talk ) 04:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Strong Keep - A state in India is not comparable to a state in say America or Canada. India is a federation of ethnic/linguistic states. There at atleast seven major regional language film industries in India of which Bollywood is the biggest and most well known. For the rest of regional language film industries (all huge and release hundreds of films every year), it is the state that is the highest award giver. There is a National film award in India, but it awards only one award in the best film category for every language. Thus State Film Awards are the highest awards for the specific language films. Thus Karnataka's film industry's highest awards are Karnataka State Film Awards. And as Phil Bridger points out Karanataka is a huge state with about 70 million population now. Same is the case for Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Bengali, Marathi, Bhojpuri film industries as well. Hope we can rest the case here and not question the notability of the state awards of all these as well.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The film industry here is a cheap clone of Bollywood and the article on the industry is peppered with redlinks and questionable notability. This seems to be a discussion about where notability-by-inheritance runs out. USA is notable, president of USA is notable, president os USA's dog is probably not notable, president's dog's vet definitely not. That kind of thing. Guy (Help!) 11:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * huh? cheap clone of Bollywood?. That article is in a bad shape yes. But that doesnt mean that the subject of the article is not notable. Look regional film industries are big in India. This is not the President of US of A's dog's vet case. To give a better analogy, if the European Union become a single political entity, you can't say that for all EU there should be only one "film award" article. The highest awards for French Films, German Films, Spanish Films will all be equally notable. Same as the case of India. Every regional film industry in India is different and unique. You are comparing a state with 70 million population and its film industry that churns out a hundred films a year, with a revenue of hundreds of crores of Rupees with the American President's dog and his vet?. Even if you are not swayed by the "notability" argument, there is the case of WP:GNG. The links i have added are from Indian mainstream newspapers with circulation in millions. --Sodabottle (talk) 13:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The nominator's ignorance, and his refusal to recognise it, are breathtaking. Who needs vandals when we have administrators with such a mission to destroy? So the premier awards of a film industry with an audience of dozens of millions of brown people are to be equated with the vet of the dog of the president of a Western nation? Shame on you. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have added reliable sources now.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Though the article is currently just a stub, it certainly meets notability criteria and must not be deleted. Shivashree (talk) 11:13, 28 May 2010 (UTC) Keep Repeated and significant coverage in mainstream India newspapers means keep. First Light (talk) 05:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think the nom has mistaken a notable film award for the USA President's dog's vet. Salih  ( talk ) 13:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. "Needs cleanup" or "Needs sources" is not same as "Needs deletion" -- appropriate maintenance templates can be used instead. Over 8000 Google results excluding Wikipedia mirrors -- many more can be found in Kannada language sources. Kannada speakers number over 35 million, and the Kannada film industry is quite notable, at least in India. utcursch | talk 14:05, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Keep I think this guy don't know about anything related to India. First of all I want to know whats the purpose to delete a article which has created just before 1 week or 1 month. A single person can't edit with full details. Please go through the links given in the article. So you can understand the purpose of the article. I think you are not eligible for wiki. Please quit and save our time. And please give me details about higher authorities to complain about you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.242.47 (talk) 13:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Please be civil and dont make any personal threats. We are here to discuss this thing rationally. Not threaten others. This is not how wikipedia works. If you want to prove the nom wrong, edit the article and make it better.--Sodabottle (talk) 15:20, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not threatening any one. You know? he has nominated and deleted one of my article within one day after I have created it. I am not an expert in editing wikipedia, so I need more time to complete a article with more details. If anybody delete the article without any notice, we have to write everything from the begining. Is it not waste of time?. OK when will this resolve?. Who will come to remove the notice in the article?. Shall I remove? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kannadakumara (talk • contribs) 17:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No dont remove the notice. This discussion will be closed in seven days (around 2 june) from the initiation. It looks like the article will be kept. The editor closing the discussion will remove the notice as well. In the meanwhile you can edit the article - the afd notice does not prevent us from editing it.--Sodabottle (talk) 18:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * OK :) (Kannadakumara (talk) 09:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC))


 * Keep Comparing this to the vet of a President's dog? And we wonder why editors leave Wikipedia. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Snow Keep Per minimal WP:AFTER, notability in India and in an Indian state of 52.8 million is plenty notable enough for en.Wikipedia.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
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