Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kasturi cotton


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The arguments are more convincing. Geschichte (talk) 03:51, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Kasturi cotton

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Newly created article that has not been through the AFC process. This is a newly proposed marketing term from Government in India that has been announced as a new name for premium Indian cotton. It is not a thing yet. Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 10:55, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Kasturi cotton is not a Brand. Nike is a brand. Coca-Cola is a brand. Lycra is a brand, (that doesn't have an article of its own, amusingly)
 * 2) Kasturi cotton fails WP:GNG
 * 3) Kasturi cotton didn't exist two days before article creation.
 * 4) World Cotton Day is purely WP:PROMO, only a marketing initiative invented only a year before Kasturi cotton was invented last week, not in itself notable. Note that much unrelated/off-topic stuff has been added to this article, breaching WP:OR and WP:SYNTH while this discussion has continued. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 05:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:40, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. ChunnuBhai (talk) 13:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 *  Keep. *Kasturi cotton is a brand of cotton, authorized by Ministry of textiles, India. It does not matter the brand is newly born or an old one. Branding is always about marketing and promotion. We should discuss if it is within the Wikipedia policies or not. Definition of a brand is []. It is complying with the definition. And Wikipedia have many articles on various brands. Please consider it to keep. I will agree to the consensus. ThanksRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 13:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rajiv. This discussion will be decided on WP:POLICY. Do you have any retention arguements based on policy rather than your personal wishes and an external link to something not pertinant? -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 12:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Supima is another brand, it is a superior quality cotton grown in America.https://supima.com/the-cotton RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 15:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * So what? WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and this carries no weight. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 12:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Roxy. This article is within the scope of WikiProject Brands. The subject is not my opinion, it is very much notable and verifiable. You can avoid delusive statements WP:LAWYERING. Supima is an American cotton brand so will be Kasturi for India. The reference is for this purpose only. And it is very much relevant. The article is written following the five pillars. Remember, address the arguments, not the person making them. Thanks RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 14:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Kasturi cotton may need further improvement which are quite possible with the time WP:ARS andWP:BUILDWP, the provided information/inputs are picked from the reliable sources only and cited to take care WP:SYNTH. Brand Kasturi is definitely lacking in age, but age/numbers are not used to judge notability on the Wikipedia. The efforts on this article are not based on a simple promotional advertisement. India is a one of the largest cotton producing country and It is a strategic outcome by the Government of India. The brand is similar to Lyocell for Rayon fiber, Nike, Inc. and Adidas for of athletic shoes, apparel, and sports equipment,Coca-Cola for soft drink., and many more. “	A general purpose encyclopedia is a collection of synthesized knowledge presented from a neutral point of view. To whatever extent possible, encyclopedic writing should steer clear of taking any particular stance other than the stance of the neutral point of view.—Jimmy WalesWP:Purpose. This is a piece of important information and should stay there at Wikipedia. Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 04:55, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The purposed deletion is a based on the points such as marketing term, new name and not a thing . In retention arguments, my explanations are as below:
 * @ Roxy Sir, I am grateful to you for encouraging me for retention argument, please find reply point-wise as below

in a nut shell you are abiding by the letter of a policy or guideline while violating its spirit or underlying principles (gaming the system) You should avoid reverting the edits on the article,As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia's mission is to provide the public with articles that summarize accepted knowledge, written neutrally and sourced reliably.But your reverts can affect the information for the Admin. and readers. For example[],[],these are facts Thanks and regardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 12:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1.Kasturi cotton is a brand now, sufficient references are providedWP:SKYBLUE, WP:CANVASS. And The brand identity is a set of individual components, such as a name, a design, a set of images, a slogan, a vision, writing style, a particular font or a symbol etc. which sets the brand aside from others.
 * 2.Kasturi cotton qualifies WP:GNG  The article is  based on reliable, published sources,
 * 3. Brand is an intangible asset, not physical. It does not require time, you think. It is an announcement/launch which is done on one particular day. Brand is a name, term, design, symbol or any other feature that identifies one seller's good or service
 * 4.World cotton day is off topic here, focus should be on subject article. deluding statements to influence consensus decision-making.
 * 5. You are a senior editor, give us one example where the article is breaching WP:OR. You should take care of Willfully misinterpreting policy
 * 6 For your allegation of WP:SYNTH, Articles can be improved during the process of deletion and the information added are relevant to the attributes of the subject.
 * @ Roxy Please correct your recent reverts related to the subject article, Wikipedia is not what you believe. Keep your thoughts with you and follow the policiesAdvocacy, Kindly do not delete. I can not cite more on the article because it is already overly done.

For the importance of staple length And Supima is a brand similar to Kasturi. Book Reference / Textile Horizons - Page 7 Year 2005 "Supima is the promotional group – founded in 1954 – for American Pima cotton growers, whose product carries the Supima brand . Pima cotton is a generic name for extra - long staple ( ELS ) cotton grown in the U . S ., Australia , and Peru". You are intentionally doing all this to make the article an orphan, and half meaning. Please correct. And it is better for you and me to stay away from this discussion page and the article till further decision. ThanksRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 14:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: this appears to be a major government initiative, reported in many reliable sources. It has parallels with the US Supima, and it perhaps ought to be mentioned in Gossypium barbadense. Pam  D  11:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * comment a major gvt initiative announced over a video link with no significant coverage except churnalism from a press release. I dont think so. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 11:17, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 *  Comment if you don't think or like, what can we do? WP:IDONTLIKE. Your logic is vague and biasedWP:MOSWTW, WP:LABEL.

The subject is mere classification and categorization as Brand Kasturi and the Government of India announced officially that now on the premium quality will be termed with the name Kasturi in the world cotton trade.  India's premium cotton would henceforth be identified as “Kasturi” in the world cotton trade, said Union Textiles Minister Smriti Irani, launching the first-ever Indian cotton brand and logo on World cotton Day . Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 11:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 15:10, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nomination. Marketing, puffed up with a little WP:SYNTH; references about the etymology of a word don't contribute to the notability of the type of cotton. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 18:32, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Improvements are possible in the pointed areas. Tried to equate necessarily required information only. Moreover "Wikipedia is a secondary source (one that analyzes, assimilates, evaluates, interprets, and/or synthesizes primary sources) or tertiary source " WP:NOTJUSTANYSYNTH Deserves to keep WP:SIGCOV. Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 11:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS, the only refs actually about the subject seem to be a press release and a couple of news stories based on it. Article could be recreated if reliable secondary sources emerge. Brunton (talk) 14:54, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment You are right but the press release is from the the Ministry of Textiles which is the apex body of the Government of India which is responsible for the formulation of policy, planning, development, export promotion and regulation of the textile industry in India. The initiative is for cotton world trade promotion. There are  not few stories but sufficient coverage by other secondary sources. The WP:GNG infers if the topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. And the sources may encompass published works in all forms and media. Therefore the topic comply with the said policy. For your mentioning few the policy says "Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required. So it deserves a keep. Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 02:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


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