Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kasumi (Dead or Alive)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Characters of the Dead or Alive series with the option of merging encyclopedic content. Though merges are numerically more common, the substance of the comments here are about a lack of encyclopedic source material. As such there is consensus for a merger, but only a highly selective one. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Kasumi (Dead or Alive)

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This is not an AfD I wanted to do.

Niemti's articles are hard to worth through, because of how often you're not sure if what you're reading is actually in the source, or if the source is even cited correctly, or how much it's overblown. And sweet baby Jesus was that the case here. We had references to a book without an ISBN. Two references that had one citing the other as its source and treated as separate, and in the end only mentioned the character briefly. A Brazilian Xbox Magazine cited where the ref stated...it was a Spanish Dreamcast Magazine. A *magazine cover* cited ("text in all caps").

When I dug through the references, only ones I could find saying something really tangible were Joystick Division, Brian Ashcraft's Kotaku article, and Hardcore Gaming 101, and even then it's about a sentence each. The Daily Mirror source I couldn't confirm, but even that's a bit more about the silliness of DoA than her as a character.

I have done a really extensive WP:BEFORE on this, and can sadly say almost all the reception DoA characters get is treating them as a whole, many of which focusing on the sex appeal of the roster. (there was an article cited in here at one point which was "Top things you'll see in DoA" and each entry were each character's left and right breast). Scholar was a mess and not helped by how common Kasumi is as a name. Japanese sources actually turned up one ref for Ayane, who overall by comparison seemed to have more commentary than this when the dust settled. Even Internet Archive offered little help.

Like I said I didn't want to do this, but there's no meat on this bone. Kasumi is known, but nothing's said about Kasumi as a character, or even any look at her design that amounts to anything. Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Characters of the Dead or Alive series. The article is a huge mess and needs a full rewrite even if she was notable. Should be merged for now per TNT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. I'm admittedly not seeing much in the way of significant coverage here. Ping me if additional sources are found, but for now I don't believe this is meeting notability. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge I'd trust that KFM did an extensive WP:BEFORE check. Maybe someone can find notable commentary someday and split it out again, but today is not that day. I also want to add to anyone unfamiliar with the situation, this article was written by a banned editor who had a lot of bad habits with sources they used and content they wrote about. TarkusAB talk / contrib 05:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect. No evidence that this character is notable. The reception is mostly just a listicles on how sexy she is, garbage. 🍕  Boneless Pizza! 🍕 (🔔) 06:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per Zxcvbnm and Pokelego999.  MK  at your service.  14:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm not sure if I'm voting on this, but this strikes me as one of those articles where had much of it had not been written by Niemti, but rather someone else, it likely wouldn't be listed here in AFD. I can't access the whole thing, but apparently, this talks about Kasumi and Ayane (the latter of which I was actually working on a draft for). And the sources from IGN, Hardcore Gaming 101, Kotaku and Joystick Division are pretty good. Should the article get merged, maybe those sources can be used if someone tries and recreates it. MoonJet (talk) 06:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.